[morgaine300]

I was thinking maybe he learned something do depressing that he would have killed himself if he learned in on this way from Switzerland...

Hmm... that's not quite right, no. There's something to that, but not the way you've said it.

I don't know... was the man following some treatment? I mean... was he on drugs?

I think you mean the illegal kind? Like he was in for rehab or something? No. (If not, clarify.)

[morgaine300]

A man is returning from Switzerland by train. If he had been in a non-smoking car he would have died.

[morgaine300]

For some reason I have a feeling I am going to ask questions that have already been asked again. If I do so please forgive me.

I'll consider it. :D

Nobody on the entire train died.

Correct.

Nothing was out of the ordinary.

Correct.

Something would have caused this specific man to die if he would have been in the nonsmoking car.

Yes but... (see last question)

(by the way, thank you for saying "would have" instead of "would of" - one of my little pet peeves and makes me nutso)

Did the man have medical problems?

Had.

Did something he did in Switzerland relavent to this?

Yes.

Was there someone he didn't like in the nonsmoking room?

Irrelevant.

Was there something that could have caused him much harm in the nonsmoking room?

NO!

[morgaine300]

I will repeat: get off the kick about the non-smoking car. You already know everything you need to know about it.

I understand why - the first thing I thought of was the train wrecked and the non-smoking car got smashed up. I was also thinking about the people who were in the non-smoking car. The way it's stated in the scenario leads one to think this way.

If the man had been in a non-smoking car, he would have died. But think about what that statement does not say.

Something would have caused this specific man to die if he would have been in the nonsmoking car.

I had to read this very carefully to make sure it was actually a true statement. We've already established that he would have killed himself - meaning no one else would have done it and he wouldn't have had a stroke or something. But everyone is making assumptions about the "something" that would have caused it - and that assumption is a stumbling block.

BTW, welcome back, Adam. This one is tough so the more brains at work, the better. :) (This is a puzzle for people who like a real challenge.)

[morgaine300]

I just now myself caught onto this: the statement reads "If he had been in a non-smoking car..." You all have changed that statement. How? (You've even got me doing it.)

[Unknown008]

Was there something/someone in the train who stopped him from killing himself?

[morgaine300]

Was there something/someone in the train who stopped him from killing himself?

Yes. :D

[Unknown008]

Phew! At least, something moved...

However, this doesn't ring another bell :(

Maybe, I'll ask for clarification now. Did someone prevent him from suicide?

Did this man knew that person?

[morgaine300]

Phew! At least, something moved...

Yes. Did I stress strongly enough to quit with that non-smoking car bit? ;)

Did someone prevent him from suicide?

No.

Did this man knew that person?

N/A due to above answer. :p

[Unknown008]

Now... what thing could that be...

Lol, I'm tempted to ask questions about the 'something' to know what that is...

Is the 'identity' of the 'something' relevant? (I mean like if it were a chair, would it be relevant that it was a chair?)

[morgaine300]

Is the 'identity' of the 'something' relevant? (I mean like if it were a chair, would it be relevant that it was a chair?)

Yes.

[morgaine300]

A man is returning from Switzerland by train. If he had been in a non-smoking car he would have died.

(Last summary #91 page 10.)

[Unknown008]

*sigh* this will get long...

Is the object smaller than a football?
Is the object made (including partially made) of metal?
Did the object remind the man of something?

[morgaine300]

*sigh* this will get long...

It doesn't have to. It's right there, about to bite you in the nose. No, not the answer, just a really important point that would help a lot, that everyone is missing.

Is the object smaller than a football?
Is the object made (including partially made) of metal?

There could have been several "objects" involved. They're all smaller than a football. Some might even have metal, but most don't. (Go back and read the original scenario upsidedown.)

Did the object remind the man of something?

No.

There's really something I want to say here... but given the time, I think I'm going to wait for Adam to weigh in and see what questions he comes up with.

[morgaine300]

Have you ever played Obsidian? That whole game is like a big lateral thinking puzzle. Hmm, I should add that to my review of it.

[Unknown008]

Lol, no. Ok, thinking of more questions... and upside down =P

[morgaine300]

Sorry - I hope that didn't sound like Adam is somehow more important. It's just everyone thinks differently and it helps to have people coming in from different angles all the time. He'll benefit from what you've asked as well.

Am I making it worse? Sorry - a little much on the wine tonight. :)

[Unknown008]

Is the object cigarettes?

Pipes?

[Unknown008]

Sorry - I hope that didn't sound like Adam is somehow more important. It's just everyone thinks differently and it helps to have people coming in from different angles all the time. He'll benefit from what you've asked as well.

Am I making it worse? Sorry - a little much on the wine tonight. :)

Nah, it's OK. Adam is just too good at these :p

[morgaine300]

He doesn't think so. I'm not always too fabulous either. (I was at a complete loss on the albatross one. Just gave up on even trying to ask anything. LOL.)

Now my brother - he's pretty good. He'd probably have a great time hanging around on this, but I'd kind of prefer he hang around somewhere else. :D