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    #261

    Aug 17, 2010, 10:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    I KNEW you tea partiers didn't really like the Constitution. You'd rather we ditch it and adopt the standards of Saudi Arabia. Why do you hate this country so?

    excon
    Where in the Constitution does it say Muslims can plop a Mosque wherever they want, without public review and acceptance everyone else has to follow? I can't even put an addition onto my house without approval of the neighbors. THe Immam that want to build that Mosque thinks WE should adopt Sharia law... in violation of our constitution.

    What about the rights of Americans to NOT be offended by a Memorial to the 9/11 terrorists Or subsidizing that memorial through tax exempt status.

    You can't build a Church anywhere you want (public impact thing)... where do they get off doing that.
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    #262

    Aug 17, 2010, 10:27 AM

    Hello smoothy:

    Although I LOVE arguing with you, you showed up late to the party with old arguments. They've been disposed of.

    excon
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    #263

    Aug 17, 2010, 10:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Although I LOVE arguing with you, you showed up late to the party with old arguments. They've been disposed of.

    excon
    True... I've been busy with other things and didn't have the time until now.
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    #264

    Aug 17, 2010, 10:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Um, I haven't said anything about banning the mosque. But if Gutfeld would build it I just might donate to help build the gay bar next door as an outreach to gay Muslims. I hear there's been plenty of suggestions for naming the place.

    Best one I've heard so far was Sheik Yourbooty.
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    Aug 17, 2010, 10:35 AM

    As for me, I agree with some of what Smooty is saying and some of what Excon is saying.

    Smoothy: Yes, it could end up being a Terrorist Memorial, but I'm not aware that it wants "to be built by a known radical"

    Excon: You should not presume that Smoothy is someone who does not "like the Constitution".

    Frankly, I "don't like" the Constitution in that it is so vague in many areas that radicals can make laws saying that some things that the founders believed in have been since deemed "Unconstitutional".

    Probably means nothing here, but I just wanted to say it.
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    #266

    Aug 17, 2010, 10:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    As for me, I agree with some of what Smooty is saying and some of what Excon is saying.

    Smoothy: Yes, it could end up being a Terrorist Memorial, but I'm not aware that it wants "to be built by a known radical"

    Excon: You should not presume that Smoothy is someone who does not "like the Constitution".

    Frankly, I "don't like" the Constitution in that it is so vague in many areas that radicals can make laws saying that some things that the founders believed in have been since deemed "Unconstitutional".

    Probably means nothing here, but I just wanted to say it.
    The Immam that is collecting money and footing the drive to build this actually is known as a radical that days after 9/11 made disparaging remarks about the USA... so by definition he is a known radical. His actions and public statements back up that statement.

    Pajamas Media Ground Zero Imam: 'I Don't Believe in Religious Dialogue'

    I have Muslim friends, they know better than push their religion on me, and I'm not one to push mine on them... but some things are just NOT open for discussion. Such as the IRA building a memorial to its dead right across from Buckingham Palace, A memorial to the Memory of Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, etc... all intended to be an In-your-face reminder of what has happened in the past, and not in a good way.
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    Aug 17, 2010, 10:49 AM

    On the lighter side... here is a list of proposed names for the Men only social club they claim they will have.



    31. Infidel-ity
    30. Honor Drillings
    29. Jihard
    28. Filthy Omar's Rusty Trombone
    27. The Arabian Queen
    26. Dune Biters
    25. Goat's Night Off
    24. The Pink Prophet
    23. The Leather Burqa
    22. Git Mo
    21. Pig in a Poke
    20. Sheiks & Freaks
    19. Sodom and Gonorrhea
    18. Osama Bin Dover
    17. The Exploding Goat
    16. Weapons of A*s Destruction
    15. Alla Assbar
    14. Anderson Cooper's Apartment
    13. The Sticky Prophet
    12. The Sphinxter
    11. Grind Zero
    10. Nuclear Fuel Rods
    9. Hassan's TestostoRoom
    8. Turbuns
    7. Bunker Busters
    6. The Tali-bone
    5. Al-Jizzera
    4. The Gaza Stripper
    3. The Sandy Gerbil
    2. The Camel's Hump
    1. Hide the Minaret
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    #268

    Aug 17, 2010, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    The Immam that is collecting money and footing the drive to build this actually is known as a radical that days after 9/11 made disparaging remarks about the USA....so by definition he is a known radical. His actions and public statements back up that statement.

    Pajamas Media Ground Zero Imam: 'I Don't Believe in Religious Dialogue'

    I have Muslim friends, they know better than push their religion on me, and I'm not one to push mine on them....but some things are just NOT open for discussion. Such as the IRA building a memorial to its dead right across from Buckingham Palace, A memorial to the Memory of Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, etc... all intended to be an In-your-face reminder of what has happened in the past, and not in a good way.

    I'm not sure how much credence I'll give "Pajama Media" but I'll certainly continue to watch the issue and see what the Immam is up to.
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    Aug 17, 2010, 11:01 AM

    The Cordoba Initiative web site recently scrubbed a pix of Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf Iranian together with Mohammad Javad Larijani ,secretary-general of Iran's High Council for Human Rights; at an event that the Initiative sponsored in Malaysia in 2008.Larijani is sent by the Mahdi-Hatter to the UN to defend Iran's human rights record... You ,know stoning ,murder of protesters by the thousands ;religious persecution.

    Meanwhile Rauf has disappeared since he began his "outreach" trip for the State Dept. Only one US Embassy in the ME will confirm they expect him to be there this month (the US embassy in Bahrain has confirmed he is expected on Aug. 19). His mission otherwise has been pretty hush hush . Is he collecting funds on the taxpayer's time ?
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    Aug 17, 2010, 11:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    I'm not sure how much credence I'll give "Pajama Media" but I'll certainly continue to watch the issue and see what the Immam is up to.
    Well, its not just them... it was the easiest reference to find in a few minutes of looking. But all of that information has been announced in other sources... such as FOX news ETC. Just so you know its NOT obscure or little known. And its not a site I have even visted before... it just contained all the information I have heard on talk radio by others who have done in-depth research. So that's why I linked it.
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    #271

    Aug 17, 2010, 11:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    I'm not sure how much credence I'll give "Pajama Media" but I'll certainly continue to watch the issue and see what the Immam is up to.
    Pajama Media is generally pretty credible . However ,they are a better site when the host author is named.
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    #272

    Aug 17, 2010, 11:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Best one I've heard so far was Sheik Yourbooty.
    Theme song by KC and the Sharia Band? Will they be dancing to "M-m-m-my Sharia?"
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    #273

    Aug 17, 2010, 01:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    Excon: You should not presume that Smoothy is someone who does not "like the Constitution".
    Hello again, Rick:

    Just for clarification sake, I DON'T, at all, think smoothy hates his country or dislikes his Constitution. I really said that tongue in cheek, cause I get accused of it all the time. When discussions get heated, it seems the other side resorts to that accusation. It's NOT one usually heard from my side. That's because, like I said, we don't believe it. I'm afraid, though, the other side really DOES believe that people like me, hate their country.

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    #274

    Aug 17, 2010, 01:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Rick:

    Just for clarification sake, I DON'T, at all, think smoothy hates his country or dislikes his Constitution. I really said that tongue in cheek, cause I get accused of it all the time. When discussions get heated, it seems the other side resorts to that accusation. It's NOT one usually heard from my side. That's because, like I said, we don't believe it. I'm afraid, though, the other side really DOES believe that people like me, hate their country.

    excon
    More generalisations... from the left who wish to legislate their agenda from the Bench, since no laws exist or constitutional provisions support their agenda they wish to impose on everyone againsrt the wishes of the majority of the population.

    Funny How the Obama administration is spending millions to rebuild Mosques around the world, yet not one dime is spent on decaying Christian Cathedrals. Funny how Chistians get no defense of their rights from the left... yet we hear about the RIGHTS Muslims have to build a Memorial to the 9/11 Terrorists near Ground Zero. And they Were Muslims... and their actions were applauded very vigorously in most of the Muslim world on and after 9/11.

    I have yet to hear exactly where in the Constitution that Muslims have the Right to build any Memorial parading as a Mosque anywhere they want. Disragardign pubilic sentiment and laws to the contrary. Especially when Christians can't Celecbrate Christmas or have a group prayer at any event... or even place a Christmas Tree at christmas without a protest from the very same people that support the Manhattan Terrorist memorial.

    Obama is a Muslim... and he said so in his own autobiography (thus his own words)even if he publicly claims otherwise for political expediency. No wonder Obama supports it.
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    #275

    Aug 17, 2010, 01:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Theme song by KC and the Sharia Band? Will they be dancing to "M-m-m-my Sharia?"
    How about Donnie (bin) Iris Ah! Sharia!
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    #276

    Aug 17, 2010, 01:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Obama is a Muslim...and he said so in his own autobiography (thus his own words)even if he publically claims otherwise for political expediency. No wonder Obama supports it.
    Hello again, smoothy:

    You forgot the most important one... He wasn't BORN here.

    excon
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    #277

    Aug 17, 2010, 02:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    You forgot the most important one... He wasn't BORN here.

    excon
    Did you or did you not read HIS Autobiography... I guess not, because OBAMA did made that statement (that he is a muslim) in his autobiography, which by definition, is about him, written by him or it wouldn't be an autobiography.
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    #278

    Aug 17, 2010, 02:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I have yet to hear exactly where in the Constitution that Muslims have the Right to build any Memorial parading as a Mosque anywhere they want.
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Like I told Rick earlier, you like your Constitution. You just haven't read much of it. Take a look. The First Amendment should be enough. Here's the important part, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

    It's pretty straightforward to me. Please tell me why Muslims shouldn't have that right?

    excon
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    #279

    Aug 17, 2010, 02:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Did you or did you not read HIS Autobiography.....I guess not, because OBAMA did made that statement (that he is a muslim) in his autobiography, which by definition, is about him, written by him or it wouldn't be an autobiography.
    Please quote that part, or at least tell me the page number. And from Dreams or Audacity?
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    #280

    Aug 17, 2010, 03:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    . Please tell me why Muslims shouldn't have that right?

    excon
    Hi, Ex.

    Why don't Christians? Why don't Jews? Why can't I?

    Simple answer: Frivolous lawsuits

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