[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Because I oppose the Arizona law, doesn't mean I oppose ALL immigration laws... There's a couple different ways people can attack a problem. That would the RIGHT way or the WRONG way.

Arizona is WRONG. Massachusetts is RIGHT. I suspect you can't tell the difference.

excon

[tomder55]

I think they are both right. But ;if you think it's right then you will speak out against Duval if he vetoes ?

[adthern]

Hello again, ad:

From an article you can read here. "... Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said a wall running the length of a border would cost too much. A 2,000 mile state-of-the-art border fence has been estimated to cost between four and eight billion dollars."

That covers the Mexican border... One up north will cost at least 10 billion more... But, it's only taxpayers money...

excon

Sorry for the late reply, finals and summer classes...

First, I never thought, nor said that a wall would be inexpensive. If it was, it probably would have been done already.

Next, your starting at a presumption that I would take the word of any politician over common sense... any barrier is better than no barrier and 20 or even 30 billion dollars would be recouped in a single year with the decreased crossover and subsequent taxpayer payments, medical care, penal costs, and that doesn't even begin to take into account the priceless increase in national security.

Lastly, using the "it's only taxpayers money" line is really lost on me since I am more of a rational libertarian, meaning no government spending is impossible and extremely limited gov spending is impractical, but limiting gov spending to essential functions like; national security, imfrastructure maintanence, and the like while eliminating the welfare system we are propagating internationally and at home not only makes sense, but is critical to the survival of the US.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem giving people or other countries taxpayer monies so long as the taxpayers reap a significant and tangible benefit.

[adthern]

Maybe not in your area but I have investigated malpractice claims, particularly one where someone in the ER was advised to go to a County hospital due to the lack of health insurance - and died on the way.

It shouldn't happen but - like a lot of other things - it does.

If this is a true claim, then it was indeed in violation of the law. For which, there are remedies at law.

However, I doubt that the case is as simple as you make it out to be--Life and the law are far more complex than you try to make them appear-this is a disagreement we have had in various threads.

[adthern]

Just a side note... Duval is not long for this state... thank Gods...

Hopefully, his will hit the pavement in the next election!