[JoeCanada76]

That is what I was referring to in the first reply in this thread, that demons are a product of the person not the house.

Wish I could rate you. I agree completely...

[dwashbur]

That is what I was referring to in the first reply in this thread, that demons are a product of the person not the house.

What's your authority for this statement? I've actually encountered one that was in a house, though I suspect I know how it got there and yes, it was a person who made it happen. Still, when he left, the demon stayed. And it harassed my 4-year-old daughter for close to a year before we were able to get rid of it.

[dwashbur]

Is it only Christians that have demons then?

No, they can bother anybody. The NT doesn't make any distinction between what some theologians call "possession" and "oppression." It just uses a general word that translates to "demonized." That's why staying close to the Lord is important. Well, one of the reasons...

[NeedKarma]

No, they can bother anybody.

The weird thing is that those who don't believe is supernatural beings don't report a problem with demons.

What is your authority is proving that a demon was in the house harassing your daughter?

[dwashbur]

The weird thing is that those who don't believe is supernatural beings don't report a problem with demons.

What is your authority is proving that a demon was in the house harassing your daughter?

What kind of authority would it take to persuade you? I suspect no amount of evidence would be enough, or you would find some way to explain it away. My direct experience, as well as that of my daughter, was enough to convince me of what was going on. If that's not enough for you, then I'm not going to bother.

[NeedKarma]

What kind of authority would it take to persuade you? I suspect no amount of evidence would be enough, or you would find some way to explain it away. My direct experience, as well as that of my daughter, was enough to convince me of what was going on. If that's not enough for you, then I'm not going to bother.

See, that's the same as I can give you when you asked about what authority I had.

[classyT]

NK.

See, I'm not buying that people who do not believe in demons don't ever get bothered by them. I am SURE they have and it has changed their minds.

I'm not the type of person who runs around trying to find a demonic spirit behind problems in my life. I think that is just as wrong as not recognizing they are alive and well.

But I think many unbelievers have been bothered by them just because you don't know any.. doesn't make it not so.

[NeedKarma]

But I think many unbelievers have been bothered by them just because you don't know any..doesn't make it not so.

That works both ways too, just because you say it or a 2000+ year old book mentions it does not make it so either. If you do a search at this site you'll notice that believers are the sole ones affected by "demons". Isn't it odd that non-believers are not represented?

[excon]

Hello:

You and I look like were the same people - but we're not. We dress the same, and we speak the same language, but we AIN'T the same... YOUR world is NOTHING like mine. We might as well be living on a different planet.

I cannot imagine a world, where you could be driving down the street, and a demon causes your car to hit a tree. If I hit a tree, I'd know it was because I wasn't driving so good. You? Not so much.

I cannot imagine a world where a ghost is living in my house and doing dastardly things to my family. I cannot imagine a world where I had NO control over my life, but was at the effect of any old ghoul or evil monster...

Nope. I cannot imagine living in a world like that, and I'm SOOOOO glad I don't. Wouldn't you like to come over to MY world?? It's SAFE from those things over here.

excon

[classyT]

Ex,

You THINK it is safe in your world... and I KNOW better. :D

I have never seen a demon in my life nor do I intend to. But just because I can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. Heck I can't see molucules either!. There is a spiritual world out there. I can't prove it... but I believe it by faith.

The difference between you and me is this.. I don't have enough FAITH to believe this world just happened. I don't have enough FAITH to believe we evolved from tadpoles or something... I believe in the Creator and I believe the Bible. And because I do.. I believe there are angels and there are demons. I have never encountered either and I never ever blamed any sin I have committed on the Devil nor my reckless driving on a demon.

[NeedKarma]

You THINK it is safe in your world ...and I KNOW better.

If someone says they feel safe and are happy you tell them that they aren't and that you know better? Really? Explain please because the arrogance in that is astounding.

[classyT]

NK,

Well you know me, I'm arrogant and passive aggressive. Ex knows I'm teasing him...

[NeedKarma]

So you're not going to answer?

[classyT]

NK,

I was REALLY and TRULY teasing Ex. I meant no harm... I don't think he took it the wrong way. Ex you CAN chime in here whenever you want. Did you take it the wrong way?

BUT... just because someone believes they are safe doesn't make it so. Just because someone doesn't see danger coming.. doesnt mean it isn't. I'm not suggesting demons are around the corner for Ex. I have been trying to get him over to my side since we became friends on this site. I want him to believe in Jesus Christ, I want him to go to heaven. Is that arrogant?

[NeedKarma]

I want him to believe in Jesus Christ, I want him to go to heaven. Is that arrogant?

What would you say to someone that wants to convert you to atheism to save you from purposeless worshipping?

[excon]

Hello again, you guys:

Here's the rub. I'm trying to rescue T from the scary world she lives in, and she's trying to rescue me from the scary one I live in. Go figure. I think we're doing that for the same reasons, too. I want the best for her, and I think she wants the best for me.

But, I'm not going to stop proselytizing, and she isn't either.

excon

[classyT]

What would you say to someone that wants to convert you to atheism to save you from purposeless worshipping?

If what I do is puposeless then what have I lost? What will YOU lose if I am right and you are wrong?

[NeedKarma]

What will YOU lose if I am right and you are wrong?

Nothing. So let's carry on then.

[excon]

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ClassyT agrees: Yeah... but I see YOU caving... ;)

Hello again, T:

Let's meet in Cancun. The first one with a religious experience switches.

Excon

[shannongilmour]

Hello, I sympathize with you because I had demons follow me for over 12 years. I searched for answers outside of God's word, and I even turned to mediums and phsycics for answers other than taking this to God in prayer.

The one thing I'd like to stress and this is the example in scripture that we are to have nothing to do with familiar spirits and that includes demons.

Many authors and public figures show by example that we can 'entertain' evil, and 'control' it but the fact is we are not strong enough. The only way we can find victory, deliverance is through the victory of the Cross. ( The means of the cross)

Personally, if you want freedom, then ask God for it, ask Him to show you the areas of where there is sin in your life that causes evil to manefest itself. Whatever it is, repent, and turn away from it. Keep your house clean as scripture describes, but do not keep it empty. Fill it with the knowledge and love of Jesus Christ. Once you posture yourself upright against God's word and His son, your life will change and you will see for yourself 'resiste the devil and he will flee.'