[Wondergirl]

I don't care what color he is....I hate his agenda.

Let's see what we can agree on about him. Can you think of one thing you like about him?

[smoothy]

Let's see what we can agree on about him. Can you think of one thing you like about him?

Give me some time to think... there must be SOMETHING, I will admit to that much. I could think of good things Hitler did... Obama must have one or two as well. I just can't think of it off the top of my head right now.

[Wondergirl]

Give me some time to think....there must be SOMETHING, I will admit to that much. I could think of good things Hitler did...Obama must have one or two as well. I just can't think of it off the top of my head right now.

It could be something about him as a person that you like, or about what he has done or says he will do. I've already said Bush is good-looking and charming and someone I'd meet at the Crawford diner for lunch and a fun conversation. (I even like to talk about horses and cows.)

[smoothy]

It could be something about him as a person that you like, or about what he has done or says he will do. I've already said Bush is good-looking and charming and someone I'd meet at the Crawford diner for lunch and a fun conversation. (I even like to talk about horses and cows.)

I've actually met Bush... he really is a nice guy... I disliked Bill Clintons politics... but I have met him too, and at a personal level, he isn't that unpleasant either. Can't say that about Hillary however... she rubbed me the wrong way.

I however dislike anyone who always tries a hard sell, be it cars, vacuum cleaners... etc... or bearded bozos on infomercials.


Nothing worth having NEEDS a hard sell. Anything that IS sold with a hard sell, is to sucker people into buying a turd.


Now there was one thing he did I liked... but I forgot what it was... at least its not coming to mind right this minute.

[Catsmine]

It could be something about him as a person that you like, or about what he has done or says he will do. I've already said Bush is good-looking and charming and someone I'd meet at the Crawford diner for lunch and a fun conversation. (I even like to talk about horses and cows.)

I'll give him credit for jumping in with both feet as soon as he took office. Some will argue that was because he knew he only had a short time before his Congressional majority evaporated and others will point out the severity of the situation when he took office(and both be correct) but he at least did not take a lot of "study" time.

[tickle]

You guys seem to be bashing your heads against a wall here and nothing gets resolved. You are going in circles. Except for Wondergirl, who seems to be the only one on here with a purpose and sensible comments.

And then there is ex, who has some good points too, and a purpose; you all just read around him and miss the point. Get the point. I am Canadian and I get the point.

Its good Friday, I have just had supper, its 1900H here in southeastern Ontario, a lovely bright sunny day and why I am on here, I don't know. I am off to watch TV and rest after a busy day working outside where all of you should have been if you are in the same climate.



Tick

[excon]

And then there is ex, who has some good points too, and a purpose; you all just read around him and miss the point.

Hello tick:

It IS like arguing with a bill board, isn't it?? But, I'm not trying to convince them. That'll NEVER happen. I write for the silent readers amongst us. You're one of 'em. You can see the truth.

excon

[Catsmine]

Hi, tick. The circular arguments are precisely the point of these discussions. They're also the only forums I know of that never devolve into obscenity. Rational discussions on the internet are pearls beyond price.

[cdad]

Hi, tick. The circular arguments are precisely the point of these discussions. They're also the only forums I know of that never devolve into obscenity. Rational discussions on the internet are pearls beyond price.

I agree.. And also agee to disagree when needed :)

[Catsmine]

I agree.. And also agee to disagree when needed :)

Of course!

[tickle]

Hi, tick. The circular arguments are precisely the point of these discussions. They're also the only forums I know of that never devolve into obscenity. Rational discussions on the internet are pearls beyond price.

Yes I know about 'circular arguments' and I thinks its wonderful and quite amusing that you guys are civil with each other, still, under the political conditions of your universe, and now the healthcare thrown into the mix.

Tick

[speechlesstx]

Even more change from the Obama administration, tighter screening for passengers flying to the U.S. we'll now be screening passenger's "personal characteristics" to weed out potential terrorists. Sounds positively like the evil of profiling, but not so according to the powers that be:

Under the new system, passengers on flights from all countries could be subject to special screening before boarding if they have personal characteristics that match the latest intelligence information about potential attackers, the senior official said.

"We believe it is a much more effective system" that is "tailored to optimize our ability to interdict would-be terrorists," said the official, who requested anonymity in describing the plan.

Even U.S. citizens traveling to the United States from abroad would be subject to special screening if they matched certain characteristics, the official said.

Administration officials said the system would provide greater fairness than the current method.

They said it would not amount to improper profiling because it would rely on specific and frequently updated intelligence and involve more countries than the current 14.

I love this Orwellian regime of ours, ain't it great that Bush is gone?

[excon]

I love this Orwellian regime of ours, ain't it great that Bush is gone?

Hello again, Steve:

A little bit.

excon

[excon]

Hello again:

Now, I don't know WHY it doesn't piss you off that the NSA is monitoring your phone calls and reading your emails... Nope. I have NO clue why good right wingers such as those contributors to this board, TRUST the government soooo much. Maybe you can splain it to me.

Let me ask you this. Would it piss you off if they were WATCHING you through your web cams? Probably not. You righty's LOVE the government so much... I mean, if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind a little snooping, right?? That IS the right wing mantra, isn't it??

You DO know, of course, that the feds HAVE the capability, don't you? You also know, of course, that since they THINK they don't have to get a warrant to monitor your phone calls, certainly they don't think they'll have to get a warrant to WATCH you in your own home..

I wonder who amongst us, is willing to grant the government that kind of license... Wait a minute. It's YOU - the right wingers here. You know, I COULD call you UNPATRIOTIC for letting (no ENCOURAGING) the government to do that. But, I understand you didn't do it because you're unpatriotic. You did it because you're scared, and you TRUST government... I don't know WHY you do that, but you wingers do. Oh, well...

Well, I for one, MIND very much that my government is spying on me. Frankly, as an AMERICAN, I'm appalled that you think it's just hunky dory.

excon

[cdad]

Hello again:

Now, I dunno WHY it doesn't piss you off that the NSA is monitoring your phone calls and reading your emails... Nope. I have NO clue why good right wingers such as those contributors to this board, TRUST the government soooo much. Maybe you can splain it to me.

Lemme ask you this. Would it piss you off if they were WATCHING you through your web cams? Probably not. You righty's LOVE the government soo much... I mean, if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind a little snooping, right??? That IS the right wing mantra, isn't it???

You DO know, of course, that the feds HAVE the capability, don't you?? You also know, of course, that since they THINK they don't have to get a warrant to monitor your phone calls, certainly they don't think they'll have to get a warrant to WATCH you in your own home..

I wonder who amongst us, is willing to grant the government that kind of license... Wait a minute. It's YOU - the right wingers here. You know, I COULD call you UNPATRIOTIC for letting (no ENCOURAGING) the government to do that. But, I understand you didn't do it because you're unpatriotic. You did it because you're scared, and you TRUST government.... I dunno WHY you do that, but you wingers do. Oh, well....

Well, I for one, MIND very much that my government is spying on me. Frankly, as an AMERICAN, I'm appalled that you think it's just hunky dory.

excon

I may be considered right winger with some of my attitudes but in reality Im an independent. I do object to random spying without reason. The problem occurs when your talking terrorists. There is a fine line between being pro active and reactive. We are all aware that you can't arrest someone until a crime has been committed. And with terrorism that's another side that we find difficult to look at because with the random nature of the acts you can't really wait. It's a tough call to make. It was Clinton where it started the "lets check everything" mentality since technology had progressed to a point to where it could be done by monitoring certain words or phrases. Yes a sad day indeed. I have seen the innocent intursion of government that expanded into laws to subject the innocent to investigation. Once you give the goobermint a foot in the door they think they own the place. All I can say to that matter is be aware, be informed and please vote.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

A little bit.

excon

I know, the thrill isn't quite what it was a year ago.

[Catsmine]

Now, I dunno WHY it doesn't piss you off that the NSA is monitoring your phone calls and reading your emails... Nope. I have NO clue why good right wingers such as those contributors to this board, TRUST the government soooo much. Maybe you can splain it to me.

I'll say it again, Ex. There has never been a time since the invention of the telegraph that the Federal government has NOT monitored long distance communications.

Why are you so mad all of a sudden?

The rest of us just assume it, since it's always happened.

[excon]

Hello again, Cats:

Because other presidents have violated the law, does not excuse the president we have, or the ones we can find and still prosecute. Why, as a good right winger, do you want to let felons off the hook? I thought you guys were FOR LAW & ORDER. Or, would that be LAW & ORDER for the little guy, but not our leaders? I understand how you are. Really, I do.

As we've discussed, the Constitution is the law of the land. It's NOT a guideline.

excon

[Catsmine]

As we've discussed, the Constitution is the law of the land. It's NOT a guideline.

Unless it's your heroes doing the violating, like Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus or FDR trying to mandate old age savings (then he got caught and had to call it a tax) or Truman and Clinton sending our troops off to wear different uniforms or Obama mandating the purchase of a service from private companies. Yeah, for the Conservatives it's the LAW. For Liberal/Progressives it is like directions, kind of, depending on your definition of "is."

[tomder55]

I can assure you that my conversations aren't being monitored. I do not call AQ HQ coordinating and financing attacks on the country like al-Haramain did .