[TUT317]

Are you sure you meant the other faiths? My experience has been that the Christian sects are some of the worst in claiming exclusivity. The Unitarians, the Deists, the Buddhists; even Wiccans seem more willing to debate the nature of the Divine.

Hi Cats,

Yes, I can see your point. I will probably have to admit to some extent this is true.

I would argue the problem can be explained in terms of philosophical history. I am not offering history as an excuse here. Also, other people may have a different theory to the one I am going to put forward.

The idea of the infinite becoming finite goes back to the Ancient Greeks, notably Plato and Aristotle. There is not enough room to go into details about such things as Plato's theory of forms. Basically, the idea of a perfect and infinite entity becoming finite is not a strange idea in Western thinking. In order to explain how the infinite could become finite Plato put forward the idea of a mediating entity which acted as a type of interpreter between this world and the perfect world.

Early Christian philosophers borrowed these ideas from Plato and Aristotle. Therefore, we could argue that this type of thinking has a strong and unbroken philosophical tradition.

On this basis it would not be hard to claim some type of exclusivity. This is true from my point of view because I accept some of this philosophical tradition as true and I can see places in the bible which support these ideas.

However, I am very much aware of the problem of dogma. This type of thinking where you are unwilling to listen to any alternative ideas results in a degree of arrogance. From my experience at these religious sites we see people painting themselves into a corner because they are prepared to take their ideas to a logical conclusion.

Just my thoughts

Regards

Tut

[paraclete]

You are a very angry person, aren't you?

Do you not realize that your postings push people further away from religion? You are an example of the very type of person I left behind when I stopped being a Christian. The "Do as I say or else, my way or the highway" group. No thank you.

What happened to kindness, acceptance, being a good Christian? If you truly believe in the Christian religion then it's time for you to re-read the bible because you aren't acting in a very Christian way. Just my opinion, but I think others will agree.

You cannot shove your beliefs down someone's throat and not expect them to fight you. Persuasion is better then force. Just fyi.

Hey, are you trying to sterotype me. I am acting in a very christian way, I am challenging religious theories that have no Scriptural basis. I don't happen to believe in any way to God, or any old belief will do. So I also don't care about religion, religion will kill you, I'm interested in relationship, the pure relationship which Jesus Christ makes available to us. Look, it is clear from Scripture that Jesus had no time for religious people, he told the truth and if you didn't like it, tough, you could go to the temple and work out your salvation under the Law and good luck with that. Also please understand, I have no interest in what people will agree with, they are entitled to be wrong too.

[spitvenom]

You do know that what you did is not the unforgivable sin, the Lord will forgive you if you want to be forgiven, and as the RCC isn't the only expression of Christianity, so you should come in from the cold

For one to be forgiven from a sin one truly must be sorry for the sin they committed. I am not sorry at all for what I did.

[gvn]

Nobody can define which path to follow is right to reach to god.

Human mind is very weak. So we need something to hold on to concentrate.

Which ever name you call, which ever form you worship him.
Its just one that great power which cannot be defined or restricted to any name. The Lord

A pdf file attached herewith . Hope sensibly it give some sense :)

[gvn]

To define and declare he is wrong or I am right etc. or criticise your are following the wrong path or I am following the right path...

Its all stupidity of humans who divide themselves..

Just matter of consideration like reaching to a destination through diff. ways.
By air, by sea, or by road you reach a destination. No way is wrong as all the way have its own important and its own benefits.

[gvn]

during one of my visit to southern part of India, I came across a yoga teacher and during the conversations he had given some few examples which we never thought about!
and he had highlighted, when we find difficult to imagine how this had been done by even people who lived in india 10 thousand years? We are lot yet to know about and lot yet to grow mentally to reach to a level where we can even define or imagine the power of allmighty.

just few points from the long list he had spoken to me to make me exclaim!! In wonder

before some brief update to understand the seriousness before I note the points. - The Hindu Vedas were written 10 thousand years back , when many of the civilisations in earth yet to start coming out from stone age.


1) In Vishnu puran - (veda) written 10 thousand years back Earth is called 'BHOOGOL' in sanskrit.
Bhoo = Soil, Gol = Round. 10 thousand years before the humans knew the earth is round!!

2) In Hindu Astrology - the planets and STars are identified separately
Planets which cannot be seen by human naked eyes! But it is defined properly as GRAH (planets) and Nakshtras (stars)

how they able to differentiate without use of telescope and satellites!

3) If imagination is the mother of Invention . And going by the epic written more than 8 thousand years. MAHA BhARATA
the first test tube babies were Kauravas . The 100 sons of King Dritarashtra and queen Gandhari.
as per the epic, the ovulution did not taken place properly and the Rishi(the yogic teacher) had taken it out and distributed it into 100 pots filled with medicines ( an Artificial Womb! ) and 100 children's were given birth.

adding onto that

Surya sidhanta - if you refer
the distance of sun and earth is given and the weight of moon is measured. (which found approx. right even in the recent NASA reports)

how they managed to do that?? Without the advanced Satellites and telscopic instruments!!


coming back to the topic,
when we can't imagine how even people 10 thousand years back able to define and identify things, how can we imagine or define the allmighty

hope you all got my point.