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    Feb 8, 2010, 04:20 PM
    If you can't stand the heat .
    Get off the planet.

    THE scientist at the centre of the “climategate” email scandal has revealed that he was so traumatised by the global backlash against him that he contemplated suicide.
    Professor Phil Jones said in an exclusive interview with The Sunday Times that he had thought about killing himself “several times”.
    In emails that were hacked into and seized upon by global-warming sceptics before the Copenhagen climate summit in December, Jones appeared to call upon his colleagues to destroy scientific data rather than release it to people intent on discrediting their work monitoring climate change.
    Jones, 57, said he was unprepared for the scandal: “I am just a scientist. I have no training in PR or dealing with crises.”
    He remains at risk, still receiving death threats from around the world including two in the past week: “I was shocked. People said I should go and kill myself. They said that they knew where I lived. They were coming from all over the world.”
    I thought of killing myself, says climate scandal professor Phil Jones - Times Online

    I of course do not approve of the death threats ,but his fraudulent and criminal manipulations of the data about AGW climate change was a big part of the ammo that was being used to convince nations world wide to consider punitive taxes designed to compel people to change their very ways of life.

    So boo hoooo ! If he had any standard of scientific integrity I dare say he would not today be feeling the heat. As it is ;he and his ilk set back legitimate climate research for decades .
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    Feb 8, 2010, 05:26 PM

    What say ye.. All in favor ?

    Aye!!

    Nuremberg Trials



    Wouldn't it be nice to have a world trial and get these (cough) people that tried to change the world through deception and greed.
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    Feb 9, 2010, 05:21 AM
    I hadn't considered that .It certainly would be befitting a global statist to be tried by an international court.What I find amusing is his perception that he is the victim .

    His fraudulent reports have already cost the word millions if not billions of dollars. But he is just one of many flat earth Luddites who need to be at the very least fully discreditted .

    I love this line in the article :
    He has lost more than a stone in weight ..

    Given the weight of his 'stones' that is a significant drop.

    If he opts for the suicide route I suggest he put a bag on his head and breath in some of his greenhouse gasses.
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    Feb 9, 2010, 06:01 AM
    I suppose if I were receiving death threats I might feel victimized, but surely he knows the "I'm just a scientist" line isn't going to get him any sympathy from the millions who's lives are affected by his "science."

    How long before Pachauri starts playing the victim card?

    New errors in IPCC climate change report
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    Feb 9, 2010, 07:35 AM
    Update version of "I've got a little list " from the Mikado .

    If I should ever be called upon professionally, I am happy to think that there will be no difficulty in finding plenty of people whose loss will be a distinct gain to society at large.

    As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,I've got a little list ...I've got a little list

    Of philoso-phic offenders who might well be underground, And who never would be missed ..who never would be missed.

    There's the pro-fess-ion-al victims who see ill-use everywhere
    All deconstructionists who pull arguments from thin air
    All theorists who would truth transmute into what we know
    And thereby banish skeptics and every sort of woe

    And in conflating fact and practice always do persist

    They'd none of em be missed..they'd none of em be missed!

    Chorus.
    He's got em on a list he's got em on a list; And they'll none of em be missed they'll none of em be missed.
    http://astro.temple.edu/~gvision/AList.html
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    Feb 11, 2010, 05:12 PM
    The scandals in the IPCC reports are coming so fast and coupled with Climategate, it's hard to believe there is any credibility left in AGW "science." So now the latest defense is it's "unpatriotic" and "inappropriate" to deny the settled science of climate change. Bill Nye the Science Guy (mechanical engineer) tells us so.

    Not to be outdone as always, Olbermann ranted on how Palin and Limbaugh are trying to "kill us all" because they went with "global warming" instead of "climate change."

    This is what this boils down to, though: life on earth is going to be threatened because the people who recognized and warned about climate change did not just go with that phrase, climate change, and instead chose global warming, opening this opportunity up for Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin to kill us all.
    Howard Fineman (is that Olby's only guest?) concurred in an interesting way. "Well, I do think that labels matter. And in retrospect, simply focusing on warming was a mistake, just in terms of the politics and the salesmanship of what is undoubtedly a really, really big problem. But it`s also now gotten all wrapped up in Obama, in Gore, in the whole big government idea."

    If only Phil Jones had been a better salesman, like Al Gore, instead of just a scientist...
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    Feb 12, 2010, 07:56 AM

    If the projected snow fall happens in the Fla panhandle today as predicted there will be snow on the ground in all 50 states at the same time... possibly the 1st time in recorded history.
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    Feb 12, 2010, 09:16 AM

    The NY Slimes puts on it's tinfoil hat :

    "It is perhaps not coincidental that the snowstorm scuffle is playing out against a background of recent climate controversies: In recent months, global-warming critics have assailed a 2007 report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and have claimed that e-mail messages and documents plucked from a server at a climate research center in Britain raise doubts about the academic integrity of some climate scientists. Earlier this week, Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators made light of the fact that the announcement of the creation of a new federal climate service on Monday had to be conducted by conference call, rather than news conference, because the federal government was shuttered by the storm."
    Climate-Change Debate Is Heating Up in Deep Freeze - NYTimes.com

    In other words ;it's AGW skeptics that are causing the harsh cold snowy winter .
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    Feb 12, 2010, 10:45 AM
    So... The global average temprature has been DECREASING the last decade because its getting warmer?

    PRAVDA is alive and well and working with the GLOBAL WARMING Chicken little crowd.
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    Feb 12, 2010, 11:06 AM
    I told you tom, Rush Limbaugh is trying to kill us all. These great thinkers that are now blaming record snowfalls on AGW were just a few years ago blaming it for less snow. Always having it both ways...

    Global Warming Means Less Snow For Skiers, Boarders
    March 9, 2006

    Surviving a warmer world: Global forecast is 'mostly dry'

    April 5, 2007

    Less Snow, Less Water: Climate Disruption in the West

    Sept 23, 2005

    Global Warming Resulting in 40pct Less Snowfall On Australia's Highest Snow Course
    August 20, 2009

    And if you hadn't heard, Penn State cleared Michael Mann of any wrongdoing with their own internal investigation. Today there will be a Rally for Academic Integrity on campus to demand a real investigation.
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    Feb 12, 2010, 11:47 AM

    Yes and they could very well use that for the lack of snow in Vancouver... or is it El Niño ? I get confused between the 2 .
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    Feb 12, 2010, 03:27 PM
    Batman chimes in...
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    Feb 12, 2010, 03:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Batman chimes in...
    How could BATMAN be unpatriotic like that?

    Bill Nye 'The Science Guy': Denying Climate Change 'Unpatriotic,' 'Inappropriate'
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    Feb 12, 2010, 05:42 PM
    If it gets any warmer around here I'm going to have to buy a snowblower and a snowmobile. Or move further south.
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    Feb 15, 2010, 06:22 AM
    The legs continue to get kicked out from under AGW. Phil Jones admitted he lost track of the data (now there's an understatement). "Keeping track of everything is difficult," said Jones.

    He also admitted, "there has been no statistically-significant global warming since 1995."

    Climategate academic Professor Phil Jones admits he 'lost track' of vital data

    Climategate's Phil Jones Confesses to Climate Fraud

    Jones also confirmed something I've mentioned a number of times, that that weather stations from which they get their data are compromised. "We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be."

    This coming just as more scientists are expressing their doubts for that very reason.

    “The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change,” said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, a former lead author on the IPCC.
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    The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.

    These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanisation, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site.

    Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, and the American states of California and Alabama.

    “The story is the same for each one,” he said. “The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development.”

    The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report.

    The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.

    “We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC’s climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias,” he said.

    Such warnings are supported by a study of US weather stations co-written by Anthony Watts, an American meteorologist and climate change sceptic.

    His study, which has not been peer reviewed, is illustrated with photographs of weather stations in locations where their readings are distorted by heat-generating equipment.

    Some are next to air- conditioning units or are on waste treatment plants. One of the most infamous shows a weather station next to a waste incinerator.

    Watts has also found examples overseas, such as the weather station at Rome airport, which catches the hot exhaust fumes emitted by taxiing jets.

    In Britain, a weather station at Manchester airport was built when the surrounding land was mainly fields but is now surrounded by heat-generating buildings.
    Is the science still settled?
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    Feb 15, 2010, 03:21 PM
    Although I agree that a scientist who is disorganized and sloppy with record keeping and data management should probably find another profession. I think that his latest lame excuse falls short from the admission needed ;that he and other key climate scientists conducted an orchestrated fraud .

    NASA took some steps this week to expand our ability to monitor the solar effect on the climate with the launch of the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).
    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sd...iew/index.html
    There are many who think solar activity influences the climate much more than humans can ever do.

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