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EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 06:11 PM

Bravo hheath! Bravo!

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 06:15 PM

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ohsohappy agrees: I agree! My whole point of posting this was the fact that I can't tell, I don't like or hate him, I'm just confused! I don't know how to "identify" with him, if you will, as either male or female. While I'm confused, I'm also amused, but I don't hate

Ohso, you would identify with him the same way you would anyone else. It may be a bit awkward, at first, to figure out which pronoun to use (he, she) but the rest is all the same. You talk to androgens the same way you talk to a man or woman. You find a common interest, and you go from there.

Maybe it's just a matter of familiarity. I've spent a lot of time in the gay community, so I've spent more time talking to androgens and other gender non-conformists.

ohsohappy · Jan 28, 2010, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by hheath541

thank you. i think that makes you a better person. it takes someone comfortable with themselves and understanding enough to realize that everyone is different to be able to accept people for who they are.

actually, that look is still alive and well in many communities in america. (i can't speak for germany.) it is prevalent in the lgbt community, as well as portions of mainstream society. many metrosexual men wear some degree of make-up, as well as ANYONE who is on tv or the stage, including actors and politicians.

most likely, the overdramatic make-up was done for the purpose of those photoshoots. if it was a woman wearing way too much make-up, no one would question the fact that it was done just for those pictures. since he happens to be male, you seem to assume that he ALWAYS wears that much make-up.

did anyone ever say that he's straight? if so, then i must have missed it.

i don't think it MATTERS what his sexual orientation is. i am HIGHLY offended that you would say that he has to be mentally unstable to dress the way he does. you more than implied that no straight man would ever dress less than 'manly' and that doing so means severe mental illness, homosexuality, and makes him less of a man. IF he is gay, that DOESN'T make him ANY less a man than anyone else who was born with a penis and does NOT mean that he needs therapy. homosexuality was taken off the books as a mental illness YEARS ago.

the way he dresses has NOTHING to do with his physical sex, and EVERYTHING to do with his gender identity. if i had to guess, i would say that he is what is known as a gender-er, someone who chooses to ignore all conventional gender rules in favor of doing and wearing what feels most comfortable for them.

the clothing is not absolutely feminine. it seems more unisex, with the possible exception of the jeans. i have known many COMPLETELY straight men who wore women's jeans, simply because they were more comfortable and flattering to them.

gender identity has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. someone who is physically male, but identifies as a women could just as easily be attracted to men or women. the same goes for physical females who identify as men.

this is just an example of a double standard. women who dress in masculine, or unisex, clothing are called tomboys. men who wear feminine clothing are called sick and gay and perverts.

I wish I could rep you again, because you've made some very valid points. Not only that but you helped slightly alter my way of thinking. While I never had an issue with either gay or lesbian women, I've always been confused as to people who are androgynous (or however you spell it) I'm not sure I'll ever completely understand them, because I'm not in their minds But what I can say is that no matter what they are still human beings with feelings and lives and they have had a lot more to go through than a lot of people give them credit for.
That being said, I still think it's amusing when anyone dresses as to the opposite gender to the point where it's that confusing, mostly because my brain can't make sense of it, and it wants to know how to relate. And you're right, I'm pretty sure his clothes are unisex, it's mostly his hair and make-up that throws me off. He just looks so FEMININE! It's not a bad thing at all. And I don't discriminate against who I poke fun at. I'm an equal opportunity teaser; everyone gets a piece of it, especially myself. :)
More than anything I just like to learn about different kinds of people, And honestly, I wish I were as pretty as him. :rolleyes:

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 06:19 PM

I barely know anyone in the LGBT community. But because of my personal views I'm open to everyone.

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by ohsohappy

I wish I could rep you again, because you've made some very valid points. Not only that but you helped slightly alter my way of thinking. While I never had an issue with either gay or lesbian women, I've always been confused as to people who are androgenous (or however you spell it) I'm not sure I'll ever completely understand them, because i'm not in their minds But what I can say is that no matter what they are still human beings with feelings and lives and they have had a lot more to go through than a lot of people give them credit for.
That being said, I still think it's amusing when anyone dresses as to the opposite gender to the point where it's that confusing, mostly because my brain can't make sense of it, and it wants to know how to relate. And you're right, I'm pretty sure his clothes are unisex, it's mostly his hair and make-up that throws me off. He just looks so FEMININE! It's not a bad thing at all. And I dont' discriminate against who I poke fun at. I'm an equal oppertunity teaser; everyone gets a piece of it, especially myself. :)
More than anything I just like to learn about different kinds of people, And honestly, I wish I were as pretty as him. :rolleyes:

At least some androgens dress as such, at least partially, to confuse people. They enjoy the moment of confusion and indecision in the pause before someone decides rather to call them sir or ma'am. Most of them don't become offended at being referred to by either.

If you want to get to know some androgens, and other gender non-conformists, I would suggest spending some time in a gay-friendly bar or club, or joining a local allies group.

ohsohappy · Jan 28, 2010, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by hheath541

at least some androgens dress as such, at least partially, to confuse people. they enjoy the moment of confusion and indecision in the pause before someone decides rather to call them sir or ma'am. most of them don't become offended at being referred to by either.

if you want to get to know some androgens, and other gender non-conformists, i would suggest spending some time in a gay-friendly bar or club, or joining a local allies group.

I work with 2 gay guys at work (on hates me for some reason, I've never done or said anything to or about him) and the guy that well, is androgynous. Zso far what I know wabou thim is that he goes to college, he is majoring in art and he loves women's purses. I don't see anything wrong with that, considering I like a good purse myself. :)

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 07:01 PM

as long as he doesn't have a thing for really ugly and/or tacky purses ^_^

ohsohappy · Jan 28, 2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by hheath541

as long as he does have a thing for really ugly and/or tacky purses ^_^

Haha does or does not?

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by ohsohappy

Haha does or does not?

Doesn't. Grrr. Fixed.

ohsohappy · Jan 28, 2010, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by hheath541

doesn't. grrr. fixed.

*smiles* :)

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 07:18 PM

You should watch rupaul's drag race.

RuPaul's Drag Race | Logo TV

EmoPrincess · Jan 29, 2010, 09:23 AM

I love logo!

My dad blocked it though...

ohsohappy · Jan 29, 2010, 10:54 AM

Attachment 28638Whoever did this mans boob job did a good job, but uhm, could he put THOSE things away? (You'll see what I'm talking about shortly)

EmoPrincess · Jan 29, 2010, 10:55 AM

O my!

Loly

Alty · Jan 29, 2010, 11:15 AM

OhSo, you may want to delete that picture before the mods do. I don't think they'll be too happy about it, especially seeing that this is in "humor and comedy" and it's very likely that a child will come to view it. :eek: