[tomder55]

I have done better than that. There has been a significant cooling since 1998... Not a warming .

[excon]

I have done better than that. There has been a significant cooling since 1998 .....Not a warming .

Hello tom:

Well, I got scientists saying that the last decade was the warmest on record. I wonder if YOUR scientists have a bias? For sure, you're going to say MINE do.

How do we settle this? The OK corral? Or, do we take the overwhelming totality of data?

It seems to me, though, that you're argument isn't really with global warming.. You'd be fine if the planet was warming.. You just don't want ANY regulation about fossil fuels. THAT is what your agenda is about.

Come on, tom. You can tell me. Let's talk about what you want to be able to do that you think regulation will prevent you from doing. Let's talk about your fear that it'll be EUROPE that leads on that, and frankly, EUROPE scares right wingers... I don't know why. So, let's talk about that...

Unless you just want to say, "I know I am, but what are you"?

excon

[tomder55]

You just don't want ANY regulation about fossil fuels. THAT is what your agenda is about

Wrong again. I had no problem when they identified the exhaust of sulfer dioxide as a cause of acid rain ;and then took steps to require scrubbers on coal smoke stacks. That was proven science and a good policy.

I also have no issues with the use of catalytic converters to clean up auto emmissions.

When and if it can be proven that man made CO2 emissions are the cause of harm then sign me up to whatever cure they can come up with OR if they develop alternates to replace fossil fuels that aren't economy wreckers ;and are of sufficient supply to keep the economies of the world growing ;then I'll gladly go along with the conversion.
One of my big secrets is that we have investments in a large energy company that is investing heavily in alt energy R&D .
Meanwhile send me pictures of the yurt you live in and the bicycle you ride instead of the auto. Let me guess ;your computer has a gerbel on a treadmill powering it...

[speechlesstx]

Meanwhile send me pictures of the yurt you live in and the bicycle you ride instead of the auto. Let me guess ;your computer has a gerbel on a treadmill powering it ...

It's probably a hemp house...

[excon]

Hello again, Righty's

Your position that people who think the earth is warming, are not to be believed simply because they don't move into yurts and start bicycling everywhere, is actually one of the most stunningly stupid things you guys say...

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Righty's

Your position that people who think the earth is warming, are not to be believed simply because they don't move into yurts and start bicycling everywhere, is actually one of the most stunningly stupid things you guys say...

I have yet to see where any of us have made such a link, but you don't find it a little troubling that so many true believers in AGW don't walk the walk?

[tomder55]

Yes it's just as silly as us pointing out the ironic hypocrisy of the Goracle flying all over the world in private jets promoting his plans to limit carbon footprints.

[NeedKarma]

yes it's just as silly as us pointing out the ironic hypocricy of the Goracle flying all over the world in private jets promoting his plans to limit carbon footprints.

What method of transportation do you support for him to make presentations around the world?

[excon]

don't find it a little troubling that so many true believers in AGW don't walk the walk?

Hello again, Steve:

I find it troubling that you think walking the walk means, for example, that Al Gore shouldn't fly on airplanes, or enjoy a wealthy lifestyle. Those ARE comments you've made.

I ENJOY a wealthy lifestyle. I BELIEVE in global warming... I don't walk everywhere. I don't carpool. I like to be warm. If I had a private plane, I'd be flying in it. I DO my part, but I'm not going to live in the woods.

To think that's what's necessary in order to "walk the walk", is just plain stupid. There isn't any other way to describe it.

excon

[tomder55]

But to advocate it for everyone else isn't ?

[excon]

but to advocate it for everyone else isn't ?

Hello again, tom:

In this world, to advocate on a world wide scale, takes a big carbon footprint, relative to yours or mine. To say that he shouldn't advocate, because it takes carbon to do so, is dumber than dumb.

excon

[tomder55]

Ed Begely Jr is a big spokesperson for environmentalism... and he walks the walk.

[excon]

Ed Begely Jr is a big spokesperson for environmentalism .....and he walks the walk.

Hello again, tom:

I guess you're just not going to get it... You think that unless you ride a bike everywhere, you're a hypocrite in terms of the environment. I suppose that includes me, and everybody who doesn't live in a yurt.

I'll say it again. That is one of the stupidest positions your side has ever taken. If you keep up this clap trap, I'll keep on saying it.

excon

[speechlesstx]

You said we think the AGW believers "are not to be believed simply because they don't move into yurts and start bicycling everywhere." At least now you're coming closer to my position, they ARE hypocrites when they don't walk the walk that they talk. Isn't that precisely what a hypocrite is? Are you OK with them advocating one lifestyle for us but not for themselves?

[NeedKarma]

Isn't that precisely what a hypocrite is? Are you ok with them advocating one lifestyle for us but not for themselves?

You mean like republicans?

[tomder55]

No I think he means like the scientist ,conferees and delegates at COP-15 (and most of the protesters for that matter ) with their 490 personal and business jets ,and their thousands of limos. Ed Begley, Jr. would've flown commercial and rode a bike once there .

[excon]

Are you ok with them advocating one lifestyle for us but not for themselves?

Hello again, Steve:

Let me say it once again, and that's the last I'll argue this insanity..

It's YOUR position, is it not, that people who use energy (like I'm doing right now), to say there should be a better way to use energy, ought not be believed, because they're using energy to communicate their message??

Do I have it down?

That is absolutely the stupid thing, among MANY stupid things, that you guys have come up with.

excon

[speechlesstx]

You mean like republicans?

Is this where you're expecting me to defend GOP hypocrites? I never said the left had cornered the market on hypocrisy.

[NeedKarma]

Is this where you're expecting me to defend GOP hypocrites? I never said the left had cornered the market on hypocrisy.

No but you find one that's a hypocrite and brand the whole lot as such. We can all do that if you like. Name all the groups you belong to and I'll find you a hypocrite among them - then we can brand the whole as hypocrites.

[speechlesstx]

Now that we have that settled...

No Rise of Airborne Fraction of Carbon Dioxide in Past 150 Years, New Research Finds

ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2009) — Most of the carbon dioxide emitted by human activity does not remain in the atmosphere, but is instead absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems. In fact, only about 45 percent of emitted carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere.

However, some studies have suggested that the ability of oceans and plants to absorb carbon dioxide recently may have begun to decline and that the airborne fraction of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions is therefore beginning to increase.

Many climate models also assume that the airborne fraction will increase. Because understanding of the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide is important for predicting future climate change, it is essential to have accurate knowledge of whether that fraction is changing or will change as emissions increase.

To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

The research is published in Geophysical Research Letters.