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    Dec 27, 2009, 12:22 AM
    Moon rotation
    Revolution of earth is in science but in our quran say that earth is constant and sun is revolve around the earth as the season changes
    So tell abut it in detail.
    Khuda hafiz
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    Dec 27, 2009, 12:45 AM

    I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you want to know scientific details about the earth's orbit, or are you looking for a discussion on why or why not science, or scripture, is wrong?
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    Dec 27, 2009, 01:09 AM
    Hi, sameer.awes!

    I've not heard that previously about the Qur'an. Would you please let me know where the passages are located where it states those things?

    Thanks!
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    Dec 28, 2009, 11:48 AM

    As a side note, this was also a belief by most people long ago, until Galileo proved the opposite, and most people (it seems that not all people) accepted it. I suggest you research about him (Galileo Galilei) for a start.

    And yes, if you have the passage that says what you said in your post, could you post it?
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    Dec 28, 2009, 07:50 PM

    Also read about Copernicus.

    The Polish astronomer Copernicus published a book, just before he died in 1543, that argued that the Earth goes around the Sun. His "heliocentric" theory means that the Sun is the center of Earth's orbit, instead of the Sun orbiting the Earth.

    Around 1580, the Danish nobleman Tycho Brahe built an observatory, which he used to track the motions of the stars and planets. The data he collected allowed the German astronomer Johanne Kepler to calculate the elliptical orbits of the planets and confirm Copernicus's idea that the planets orbit the Sun. Kepler's precise laws of planetary motion provided the basis for the English physicist Isaac Newton's mathematical description of the law of universal gravity (1687).

    Meanwhile, the Italian scientist Galileo supported Copernicus's idea even though the Catholic Church explicitly condemned the idea that the Earth orbited the Sun. In 1610, Galileo used a telescope to see and describe the planet Venus going through phases just as the Moon does. This could only happen if the Earth was going around the Sun. Galileo published his description in 1613 and was denounced to the Inquisition in 1615. The Catholic Church warned him to stop talking about it, and he was eventually forced to recant and put under house arrest.

    Not only have direct observations confirmed all of these facts, but modern scientists can use this knowledge to send rockets throughout the solar system.

    You can read about this in more detail starting here:
    Heliocentrism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Dec 28, 2009, 08:23 PM

    I have moved this here, so that it can be addressed
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    Dec 28, 2009, 08:27 PM

    I think it was in the right place before.
    I understood sameer.awes' post as a question about science.
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    Jan 6, 2010, 09:35 PM

    Salaams sameer,

    I can't seem to find any verse in the Quran which says the earth is stationary.

    A few verses regarding the moon.
    ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #190)
    (30) Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding.


    ( سورة الرعد , Ar-Rad, Chapter #13, Verse #2)
    (7) Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then, He rose above (Istawa) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty). He has subjected the sun and the moon (to continue going round), each running (its course) for a term appointed. He manages and regulates all affairs; He explains the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail, that you may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

    ( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #33)
    (11) And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

    ( سورة الرحمن , Ar-Rahman, Chapter #55, Verse #5)
    (22) The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning).

    ( سورة الجاثية , Al-Jathiya, Chapter #45, Verse #3)
    (306) Verily, in the heavens and the earth are signs for the believers.




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    Jan 6, 2010, 09:39 PM

    Saying the sun has an orbit could be interpreted as it revolving around the earth.
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    Jan 8, 2010, 08:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by asking View Post
    Also read about Copernicus.
    Meanwhile, the Italian scientist Galileo supported Copernicus's idea even though the Catholic Church explicitly condemned the idea that the Earth orbited the Sun. In 1610, Galileo used a telescope to see and describe the planet Venus going through phases just as the Moon does. This could only happen if the Earth was going around the Sun.
    Actually, it was not quite that simple. A helio-centric model does not actually disallow the existence of phases of Venus, and Copernicus's helio-centric theory was based on circular orbits for the planets that didn't not agree with the observed data any better than the old earth-ceneterd theory. So while Galileo's observations certainly were consistent with Copernicus's theory, he could not totally disprove the notion that the earth is at the center of the solar system. It was only after Kepler came along with his laws of orbital mechanics based on eliptical orbits that it seemed the helio-centric model was a better fit than the old earth-centered one. But there were still hold outs even then. Consider an earth-centric model where the sun revolves around the earth in an eliptical orbit and the other planets orbit the sun in eliptical orbits - under this model we on earth would observe the phases of Venus and the orbits of the other planets that precisely matches the observed data. But the math of an earth-centered solar system based on eliptical planet orbits around the sun is incredibly complicated, so just didn't "feel right" to many (though not all) astronomers. And there was still one curious fact that supported the earth-centered model which no one could explain away - if the earth isn't the center of the universe, then why is it that no matter where you stand on earth "down" is always toward the center of the earth? Nothing ever "falls up" toward the sun - so why would the planets revolve around it? It wasn't until years later that Newton explained the action of gravity, and showed that gravity precisely explains Kepler's elipses, and the old earth-centered model was finally done for.

    Science often works like this - rarely is there a singe "eurika" moment that in one fell swoop changes the prevailing theory, but rather it takes a series of discoveries over years to put forth enough evidence to finally wipe away the old theories. In this case it took over 100 years from Copernicus to Newton to finally kill off the earth-centered model of the solar system.

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