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The ultimate comment on Copenhagen and all that!
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Eric Idle song. Really has nothing to do with Copenhagen but yes, I do like Eric Idle and Monty Python's Flying Circus. Makes a lot of sense to have climate talks and using tear gas on the protestors that goes up into the atmosphere - and this is supposedly about "green" stuff and climates getting warmer? They are all off their rockers if you ask me. They all did arrive in limos and off nice costly private jets. What hypocrites they truly are. At least the "poorer" countries walked out on this stupid bunch from the meetings once they learned about the skullduggery and lying trickery the "richer" nations were trying to pull on the poorer nations. Hooray for them - the poorer nations that is to stand up to these baloney artists. |
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 Originally Posted by twinkiedooter
If we just got on with doing what we had already agreed to do we would be much further advanced towards our objectives, then the richer nations would be able to demonstrate to the poorer nations that they are serious and no longer the principal source of the problem. I do think that certain pieces of European hyprocracy need to be dealt with, such as counting emissions from natural events. It is easy to be holier than thou when you only have a small land mass or zero population growth, even more so when your economy has collapsed. We no longer need to count in terms of emissions per head of population but in absolute terms |
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Makes a lot of sense to have climate talks and using tear gas on the protestors that goes up into the atmosphere
in a surprise move that captured growing uncertainty over conference — Denmark's climate minister, Connie Hedegaard, stepped aside as president of the conference, handing the gavel to Rasmussen, as head of the host country.
Outside, Danish police — who have been accused of heavy-handedness by human rights groups — clashed with thousands of environmental activists who descended on the complex from a nearby train station and demanded entry to the Bella Center. BBC video showed truncheon-bearing Danish police shoving the crowd backward as protesters gasped and covered their faces to avoid breathing tear gas. Inside the building, U.N. officials revoked the credentials of about 100 accredited members of the green group Friends of the Earth for staging a series of small protests on Tuesday. However ;the bigger story is how the left demonstrates . They frequently get militant when they don't get what they want. Conservatives had tea party and town hall demonstrations all year and you never saw an instance when tear gas had to be employed for crowd control. It's too bad . There is nothing inherently wrong with environmentalism and conservation. But clowns like the Goracle and his ilk have co-opted a good idea and turned it into a cynical money grab. Actually ;come to think of it ,everything the left promotes with good intentions turns into a concentration of power and a money grab. The problem with Hopenchangem is the same problem we see with the Health Care debate. The lefties inside the halls of power are feeling the pressure from their base to "pass something" .And that is what they will do . It will accomplish nothing ;but they can puff out their chests and brag about it. |
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Word is that when Evita Clintoon announced yesterday that the US would contribute to the $100 billion/year kleptocrat's pot of gold ;and changed the language from 'verified' to 'transparent' compliance... (we in the US are becoming painfully aware what the word transparent means to the Obot regime).. that China agreed to cut back on its pollution .
This is the breakthrough that negotiators in Hopenchangeum were looking for . There is still some time for a face saving agreement to come out of the fiasco there. No wonder Hugo Chavez got a standing ovation when he pledged to make “capitalism obey us”. There was a chance that the talks were going to completely break down when Sen Lurch Kerry(key Senator working on the cr@p n trade legislation ),under marching orders from the steel worker's union(USW ), spoke protectionist language against Chinese manufactured steel. Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio and other rust belt Senators are putting pressure on the Obots to maintain what they call a “level playing field for American manufacturing" . Damn those luddites ! Don't they know that green jobs will keep them gainfully employed for the next generation ? Kerry said “To pass a bill, we must be able to assure a senator from Ohio that steel workers in his state won't lose their jobs to India and China because those countries are not participating in a way that is measurable, reportable and verifiable”.. That sentence alone came close to torpedoing the whole meeting . President Obama took his big carbon footprinted act to Hopenchangem yesterday to put his imprint on the charade. Not sure yet if a deal can be reached in the final days of the pow-wow ;but if there is ,surely it will be because the chosen one is there to put his stamp of approval on the effort. |
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I thought Hopenchangeum was clever and a whole lot milder than Schmucky Schumer's word for a flight attendant. The reviews so far I've heard are Obama's speech was quite the disappointment to the cause. The only man who could save us let his people down. Being the Messiah ain't what it used to be... |
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Couple things: I suggest there's no relationship between mans inability to confer with one another, and mans ability to pollute the planet. If your video is meant to suggest that the world is SOOOOOO big, that man just couldn't possibly effect it, you're SOOOOOOO wrong. We used to think this country was big enough to just throw our trash on the road, and it wouldn't do anything... We were wrong. We used to think the ocean was soooooo big, that we could just dump our trash into it, and it wouldn't do anything. We were wrong. Now, I suppose you're saying that our atmosphere is sooooo big, that we can just throw our trash out there and it won't do anything... ?? excon |
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Told you Obama disappointed... Barack Obama's speech disappoints and fuels frustration at Copenhagen
Many reactions were strongly critical of Obama. Hugo Chávez, the president of Venezuela, described Obama's speech as "ridiculous" and the US's initial offer of a $10bn fund for poor countries in the draft text as "a joke".
Tim Jones, a spokesman for the World Development Movement, said: "The president said he came to act, but showed little evidence of doing so. He showed no awareness of the inequality and injustice of climate change. If America has really made its choice, it is a choice that condemns hundreds of millions of people to climate change disaster." Friends of the Earth said in a statement, "Obama has deeply disappointed not only those listening to his speech at the UN talks, he has disappointed the whole world." The World Wildlife Fund said Obama had let down the international community by failing to commit to pushing for action in Congress: "The only way the world can be sure the US is standing behind its commitments is for the president to clearly state that climate change will be his next top legislative priority." |
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Update: China and India have walked. Looks like we're all doomed to climate disaster. |
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Originally Posted by excon
There are many facts that are ignored; Volcanic activity accounts for about 40% of atmospheric CO2 CO2 remains in the atmosphere for thousands of years There is a cycle of warming/cooling that is not man related There is a cycle of high concentration of CO2 that is not man related The Earth has a system of sequestrating carbon, it is in fact a giant CO2 pump If we want to limit CO2 emissions there are an number of things that must be done Population limits, it is useless to limit CO2 with limiting population Energy limitation. People must not be allowed to consume energy at the current rate Food security. The pattern of consumption must change In case you haven't got it yet the change starts in the Northern hemisphere where you will have to turn the heating/air con down and stop super sizing those meals |
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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