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        Britain is about to become a whole lot dumber but then you have already to be dumb to have made this decision 
UK shuts door on foreign workers | Business Breaking News | News.com.au
In a move to protect the jobs of Britons the UK government will exclude professionals from the list of eligible applicants for immigration. So Mr. Brown I have no doubt this will mean my country will gain many more applications from professionals and we just might be able to fill some of those shortage lists.
      
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
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For a country that has as much space as yours clete you can have more immigration  
 
Here we have had a real issue, just as every western european country has with immigration 
 
What we are faced with is summed up here 
 
A friend runs a company for contract work on prisons, he and his crew have to have checks from the police to make sure they are eligible to work in such places 
 
Foreign workers though cannot be ckecked and as such are easier to employ that british workers and as such there is an imbalnce occurring between foreign worked contracts and contracts worked on by british firms 
 
So in an attempt to ebb the tide, the points system has started 
 
And we all know why you are miffed mate, I am sure there is an outcry from the Australian Bar Trade :D
     
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
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					  Originally Posted by  phlanx
					 
				 
				For a country that has as much space as yours clete you can have more immigration  
 
Here we have had a real issue, just as every western european country has with immigration 
 
And we all know why you are miffed mate, I am sure there is an outcry from the Australian Bar Trade :D 
			
		 
	 
 Yes your move is very bad for business from expat Aussies, but seriously, Steve, the idea that Australia has vast tracts of land just waiting to be filled by immigrants is a myth that belongs in the 1950's. That land lacks the most essential element, water, they don't call this the driest continent on Earth for nothing. What we have here is a country twelve thousand miles long and realistically not much more than two hundred miles wide, boil you in some parts and freeze you in others. Most towns and cities here have their development restricted by water availability. Our major river system, the Murray-Darling, one of the world's largest, is dry in many parts. For years our best and brightest have been escaping to places like UK and US but your move will send a lot of them home, so your turning off the tap has two impacts, it makes more professional immigrants available to us and it stops the brain drain.
 
The only issue we have with immigration is the same as yours, the wrong people want to come here in droves because they think this is some sort of  nirvana. Well it is if  you can be employed but you can't live off the land here, we have no vacancies for day labourers and enough arab taxi drivers to start a small middle-eastern country
      
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
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As I have said before, I have been down under and I understand the harshness of the environment 
 
It doesn't prevent you from processing water from the seas and piping to areas, but I appreciate the vastness the idea would cover 
 
But in some respects it is the same in most countries - some 70% of the UK is greenland, so it is not as if we have no physical room 
 
What we do have a major problem brewing is the strain on basic services - sewage piping for example, just can't take the load, if you excuse the pun 
 
So whatever happens the government know they have to restrict the numbers in anyway they can, especially at a time when the bank is little tight on funds
     
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
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					  Originally Posted by  phlanx
					 
				 
				 
It doesnt prevent you from processing water from the seas and piping to areas, but I appreciate the vastness the idea would cover 
 
What we do have a major problem brewing is the strain on basic services - sewage piping for example, just can't take the load, if you excuse the pun
  
			
		 
	 
 Desalination plants are twice as expensive as dams and not very environmentally friendly so while we might be building some, governments are not keen on the idea. I expect we will opt for recycling the sewerage and harvesting storm water before we go desalination. We might go back to an early plan to turn the rivers inland, very nation building, have to dispose of a few greenies first
 
Yes we understand the strain on basic services particularly since our major cities are not well sited. Some damn fool put Sydney in Sand Stone Ridge country, Melbourne  and Adelaide where there isn't any water, Brisbane surrounded by hills, Just no foresight those british
      
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
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				desalination plants are twice as expensive as dams and not very environmentally friendly so while we might be building some, governments are not keen on the idea. 
			
		 
	 
 It comes down to one question then, doesn't it?  Which is more important to the people of Australia: personal survival or eco-friendliness?
  
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					  Originally Posted by  paraclete
					 
				 
				desalination plants are twice as expensive as dams and not very environmentally friendly so while we might be building some, governments are not keen on the idea. I expect we will opt for recycling the sewerage and harvesting storm water before we go desalination. We might go back to an early plan to turn the rivers inland, very nation building, have to dispose of a few greenies first 
 
Yes we understand the strain on basic services particularly since our major cities are not well sited. Some damn fool put Sydney in Sand Stone Ridge country, Melbourne  and Adelaide where there isn't any water, Brisbane surrounded by hills, Just no foresight those british 
			
		 
	 
 Hey we just set up a colony - which is a temporary job, not our fault even our temporary jobs were built to last :D
 
The human poluation is growing at great pace and every town, city on the planet will need to organise something to accommodate all of us in a generation or two
      
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
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