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Where do British NHS employees go for Health Care ?
You can't make this stuff up!!
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own waiting lists.
More than 3,000 staff, including doctors and nurses, have gone private at the taxpayers’ expense in the past three years because the queues at the clinics and hospitals where they work are too long. |
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You do realise that the NHS system is a free service, and you can still take out insurance, so I really love seeing people take the mick out of a system that at least offers medical care to all people, and not just the fortunate, Land of the Free and the Brave my a@@ Most companies offers private medical as a benefit, so why is the NHS any different? |
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Why would they require services above the vaunted "free care " ? Why would there be a need for the perk ? This reminds me of the hypocrites in Congress trying to shove us into a 'one size fits all 'plan while they have every intention of keeping their own gold plated plans. |
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 Originally Posted by phlanx
Shall I post the articles about the UK health system again? I've got a whole bunch of them if you'd like. They make it clear that while the COSTS of health care are covered for everyone, the actual receipt of CARE is somewhat less universal than you make it out to be. But more importantly why would you support a system in which the very people who implement that system don't want to be a part of that system? If it ain't good enough for a government bureaucrat, it shouldn't be good enough for you and your family. Why would you support a system in which that is NOT true? At least here in the USA, we get what we pay for. If you want a higher level of care, you have to pay more money. How much more than you is that government bureacrat paying in order to get private health care? And if he isn't paying more than you are and he's getting better service than you are, doesn't that bother you? Especially since it's YOUR tax dollars (or pounds) that are paying for that higher level of service. Maybe if you got to keep those tax dollars that are paying for that other person's higher level of service, YOU would be able to afford that higher level of service for yourself. In other words, your government is stealing YOUR ability to purchase better care and giving it to someone else just because that person works for the government and you don't. That doesn't bother you? It would bother me. You see that as a just and fair system? Or perhaps you can afford private health care anyway, so it doesn't bother you so much. But I'll bet there are other tax payers in the UK who aren't able to afford private health care that would be able to do so if they weren't taxed as much so that some government bureaucrat could get private health care. Elliot |
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Originally Posted by phlanx
The link reminds me how some that want government healthcare for all, and are eligible to receive it [ VA ] but don't go to the VA exclusively? G&P |
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All UK residents pay National Insurance, which basically pays for the NHS. And the network of GP practices. There IS a charge for prescriptions, i.e. meds, of £7.20 mostly to cover Admin.
The NHS offers free health care for all. Emergency cases are seen as needed, but for other less urgent procedures there IS a waiting list. It is these, less urgent, cases that are covered by insurance, mostly elective procedures or non-life threaten conditions. |
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Sort of sounds like the old Communist system in Russia where the big wigs shopped in special stores buying food goodies that were totally unavailable to the peasants. The big wigs also had their own private doctors and private hospitals. Does anyone actually think that it's going to be any different here in the USA if and when we get government mandated "health" care? NO, NO, NO. The big wigs will go see their own doctors and go to their own hospitals and leave the clinics to the peasants. Same old baloney, different day, different country. Nothing will ever change especially when you're one of the "big wigs" and can flaunt it. |
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Taxes are going to be paid regardless, or are people dreaming! Regardless of status, circumstances, position in this scoiety, you can receive medical treatment As we are a free society, (we don't carry ID's with us!) we can opt for private care, in addition to the NHS, now please tell me how that is worst than the system in the US And as for comparing us with communism, get your head out of the 1960s, the paranoria with social reform and stalinism is amazing! Wolverine, people work low paid jobs, because they can't do anything else, however, the jobs still need to be done, or how else is your lobster delivered to your door, how else is the streets cleaned for you walk down In is incredible that people think, a system whereby all people in the UK can receive medical treatment is aload of crap And Elliot Hospital Blunder! | TopNews US Edition In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year USA I can go on and on as well mate, whatever system of medical care is provided, it is still run by humans and humans make mistakes! Or don't you accpet that either
Why would they require services above the vaunted "free care " ? Why would there be a need for the perk ?
All UK residents pay National Insurance, which basically pays for the NHS. And the network of GP practices. There IS a charge for prescriptions, i.e. meds, of £7.20 mostly to cover Admin.
The NHS offers free health care for all. Emergency cases are seen as needed, but for other less urgent procedures there IS a waiting list. It is these, less urgent, cases that are covered by insurance, mostly elective procedures or non-life threaten conditions So yet again the UK demonstrates, that you have a choice available but we still take care of the weak, the small and those that can't look after themselves
Especially since it's YOUR tax dollars (or pounds) that are paying for that higher level of service. Maybe if you got to keep those tax dollars that are paying for that other person's higher level of service, YOU would be able to afford that higher level of service for yourself.
Secondly, What I pay in NI (national Insurance) is nominal, this covers me, my neighbour and anybody else in the UK to receive a very good basic level of care from the very moment you drop ill I don't therefore have to donate huge amounts to charity just so some poor so and so can get crap treatment, I really feel americans don't understand what it means to care for someone else other than themselves Wolverine, the system that we have had for many years has been based on a somehwat socialist system, but without going in streams, that was the fall out of WW2 Before you didn't have a choice of where you were treated, so this was a postcode lottery (zipcode), however now you can choose where to be treated, so if the local hospital is not up to your standards, you can elect where to go for treatment This will now devolop competition, and as such standards will increase England, is a free country, where you can come and go as you please, it is a place where by people are looked after to the best of anothers ability regardless of race or creed Having a system whereby, I am all right jack promotes an unhealthy attitude of resentment and such that brings its own social problems, or is that concept just lost on people! |
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
In the UK, everyone MUST belong to the NHS system. Any time you have the word "must" in the rules, it isn't a "free" system is it. In the USA, people can CHOOSE to purchase health care or not. There is no REQUIREMENT that we pay into the system if we choose not to. You see that as a weakness of the US health care system. I see it as a strength. Elliot |
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Originally Posted by phlanx
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Elliot, tell me, if you were being atatcked, would you want a state run police department to come to your rescue If your house was on fire, would you want a state run fire truck to turn up to put out the fire and save as much of your house and family as possible? So you pay taxes for state run organisations that are there to help and assist you when you need help, and yet a doctor putting a plaster on your leg must be paid for individually Don't get it! |
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
The only thing everyone that works must do is pay national insurance. If they chose not to use the NHS system then that's their choice. Admittedly if they are in a life threatening situation they don't actually have a choice, but otherwise they would undoubtedly die. You are making out the NHS to be something dark and sinister. The National Health Service provides the basics for health care for the entire population. If you wish to purchase the services of a private doctor for elective procedures that are none urgent or life threatening then that is your choice and you are free to make it. The NHS provides and excellent level of emergency health care for ALL people in the UK. They would even threat you should you have an accident while visiting here, at ZERO cost to you personally. I believe that Canada also operates a similar system.. So where's the issue?? |
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There is no virtue in charity or benevolence that is compelled. If the gvt. Is taxing me to provide for all but the neediest then they are picking my pockets . D*ckens had it right in 'A Christmas Carol' .The men soliciting charity were the good guys . Scrooge's retort to them was that the poor should rely on the gvt services that he supports through his taxes for their welfare. Scrooge was a typical liberal socialist. |
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Tomder, so why do you pay taxes? Within a free society, there will be people who do not work, who get all they can take of the government This is as much of a capitalised society as the black market is However, I am more than willing to accept this flaw if it means that all can receive a basic level of care, instead of the I am all right jack which doesn't This does not make me a socialist, but a realist, I recognise that a simple gesture of helping my fellow man, prevents further social problems that would still effect me and my family And tomder, your atempt to quote ens to is a little lost especially when you quote Washington, which states We must, and our efforts. Do you think Washington was refferring to me and I when he made his statements? |
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