[sndbay]

sndbay, NO!
Thaey are baptized my a person in the name of the Father, So, and Holy Sprit if done properly as Jesus instructed.
You know that I think.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I believe..

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Which is the same spiritual Rock that is with us always. And the same that baptized Moses and those that went with him in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

In the name of Father Son, and Holy Spirit

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

The Spirit

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

[classyT]

What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and THOU SHALT BE SAVED. ( where is the physical act of baptism?) It is NOT THERE because SALVATION is of the LORD.

If though shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in thy Heart that God hath raised him from the dead... THOU SHALT BE SAVED. ( where is the physical act of baptism?) it isn't there because Salvation is of the LORD.

Then again the verse in Eph.:

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

The HOLY SPIRIT who the LORD JESUS himself PROMISED us... comes to dwell in us.. WHEN? (after a physical act of baptism? ) NO! After we BELIEVED.

HE DID the work, HE puts me in Christ, HE puts Christ in me. All I do is BELIEVE!


You can add to it if you want... put up random verses that have NOTHING in the WORLD to do with Physical baptism that takes two human beings to accomplish BUT.. still this truth remans... "Salvation is of the Lord."—Jonah 2:9

[sndbay]

"Salvation is of the Lord."—Jonah 2:9

Salvation Through

2 Timothy 2:12-13-14 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The HOLY SPIRIT who the LORD JESUS himself PROMISED us...comes to dwell in us ..WHEN? (after a physical act of baptism? ) NO! after we BELIEVED.

Sanctification and Faith = One Lord One Faith One Baptism
Gal 3:26-27 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

[sndbay]

You can add to it if you want....put up random verses that have NOTHING in the WORLD to do with Physical baptism that takes two human beings to accomplish BUT.. still this truth remans....

Point known.. Christ is not divided! It is not the hands of servants, but it is the baptism of one Spirit. (spiritual binding body and spirit)

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

[classyT]

Snd,

The verses you refer to are not speaking about a physical baptism. It is what the Lord Jesus does after we believe... it is all spirtually done. I'm In Christ, Christ is IN me... all of this is done by the Lord. We can't see it we can't feel it and we can't do it. The LORD does it all.

Salvation is of the LORD! His finished work. There is ONLY ONE BODY of Christ... and ONLY one FAITH and ONLY ONE WAY to get there. Of that I agree... I

[arcura]

IF we truly believe in Jesus Christ then we will do as he says do and being baptized is one of them.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

IF we truly believe in Jesus Christ then we will do as he says do and being baptized is one of them.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred I did try to give you a green tag..

Agree! Because salvation is based as scripture says on sanctification of obedience and truth. It is the Holy Spirit /water, and Christ Jesus/blood as "ONE" that is put on to walk as HE walked.

James 2:6 For as the body without the Spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[sndbay]

Snd,


Salvation is of the LORD! His finished work. There is ONLY ONE BODY of Christ...

Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling

and ONLY one FAITH and ONLY ONE WAY to get there. Of that I agree...i

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1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.




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By the blood of Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit as ONE with HIM

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Christ set you free from sin, but without the Holy Spirit of ONE Baptism you can not be guided in holiness, blameless, and without sin. the individual has not put on Christ.. (body and spirit EPH 4:4)
The OUTWARD MAN CONTINUES TO SIN, perishes day by day, and the inward newness man is not born. Can not be renewed day by day (Rom. 7:22; 2 Cor. 4:16; Eph. 3:16)

Sure there is FAITH, but no works in those who believe in ONE LORD yet do not believe ONE BAPTISM.

ClassyT I know you will say Hebrews 11 shows Faith as being what was enough. But ask yourself, are they in a time frame of before the HOLY SPIRIT was given? Were they under a different covenant and promise?(Hebrews 11:39) God has a better way for us today... This is where rightly dividing the word is important.


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The Spirit of the LORD was there to baptize!

Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the LORD caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

[classyT]

IF we truly believe in Jesus Christ then we will do as he says do and being baptized is one of them.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,

Couldn't agree with you MORE... I believe we should be baptized. I was, and my children made the decision to be baptized too! If you believe in HIM... you OBEY Him. It just doesn't SAVE us from our sins. That is my only point. I've said it every way I know how... and I backed it up with the word. I think EVERYONE understands my position. So... I guess I will shut up. On this topic anyway :D

[sndbay]

Are individual that walk in the spirit concerned, and alarmed sinners, or do they through the spirit destroy deeds of sin in their body, and fulfilled the righteousness of the law?

Thread question..

[classyT]

Thread answer:

IF they are walking in the spirit they are dying to their sinful nature and fulfilling the law of righteousness. But it is something one must do daily or moment by moment because we are left with our sin nature. It doesn't just go when we accept the Lord Jesus Christ.

[sndbay]

Thread answer:

IF they are walking in the spirit they are dying to their sinful nature and fulfilling the law of righteousness. But it is something one must do daily or moment by moment because we are left with our sin nature. It doesn't just go when we accept the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of HIS.

Noted to:

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Those that do sin are as scripture says in 1st John 3

1 John 3: 4-5-6 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that HE was manifested to take away our sins; and in HIM is no sin. Whosoever abideth in HIM sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen HIM, neither known HIM.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as HE is righteous.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that HE might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for HIS seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

KJV

~THE WORD of GOD / Christ Jesus

[classyT]

Snd,

Positionally you are right! This is exactly how God sees us because of the Lord Jesus Christ. But Paul had to die daily and so do I. Good for you if you don't. I woludn't know anything at all about it. I still have to say NO to my flesh and occasionally it gets the best of me. Actually I have gotten irritated on AMHD before... and even that is a sin.

One last thought... our new nature cannot sin... I do not suggest it does.

But we have been around this mountain before. We don't agree much theologically but at least we both believe that the Lord Jesus Christ IS God and he came to save sinners. So I'm focusing on the positive. :)

[arcura]

sndbay, hanks for the attempted green tag.
I've tried to give them but it just not work for me.
Peace and kindness.
Fred

[sndbay]

Snd,

Positionally you are right! This is exactly how God sees us because of the Lord Jesus Christ. But Paul had to die daily and so do I. Good for you if you don't. I woludn't know anything at all about it. I still have to say NO to my flesh and occasionally it gets the best of me. Actually I have gotten irritated on AMHD before...and even that is a sin.

ClassyT,

With all my heart of love for Christ, and for mankind, I desire the truth to be known for all. It is not me that is right but it is the Spirit that is truth. I offered the Word of Christ Jesus

Mankind must allow the Spirit within them. Surrendering in Faith of all that is written, for it is the Word of God. (the better way and covenant of promise)

Paul did willingly die daily, because he had put on the Spirit to walk in, and he was not permitting his flesh to walk in sin. (that is our cross of death, not hanging out there on a tree. But, buried in Christ) We live by following Christ Jesus, the bread of life.(walking in righteousness, walking in the Spirit).

We do have to say NO to our flesh, and remain stedfast in Love and Faith, not permitting ourselves to be beguiled as Eve was by satan. Repent of all sins, and go forward walking in the Spirit. (blood and water)

Belief in prayer, and the helping hand and strength of our Lord that dwells in us. ASK anything in HIS name, but remember it needs to be the will of God. AND, It is the will of God that we all follow, and walk in the Spirit.

One last thought...our new nature cannot sin...i do not suggest it does.

But we have been around this mountain before. We don't agree much theologically but at least we both believe that the Lord Jesus Christ IS God and he came to save sinners. So I'm focusing on the positive. :)

Yes this is true. And I trust our difference is that I do not follow man or the denominations of religions.

I follow the Bishop and Shepherd of the soul. The church is the house of God, in which we go to give thanks and praise to God.(Hebrew 12:23-24)
Those that are born of the Spirit (begotten again) they are the adopted children of God, they are the little children who can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The many members of one body in Christ is the fellowship of converted Christians.

I trust and have faith in the covenant of blood, the living bread of life,(John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. ) and quench not the Spirit, the well of eternal life (John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. )

All mankind of the old covenant followed men such as Moses, Abraham and John the Baptist. Moses had the law of God, Abraham had the heart of love, and John the Baptist was the greatest of prophet calling in the wilderness to bring the WORD/who was Christ that would come. And people depended on the priesthood to offer up blood for their forgiveness. They were faithful servants doing the works that were done by faith held for God. (Hebrews 11)

We today have the new covenant, and have been returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of our souls. (1 Peter 2:25)
Who dwells within us, if we answer the one hope of our calling in One LORD, One FAITH, One BAPTISM, and One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (we have put on Christ)



One last thought, Look at the scripture when Paul is teaching. Paul is in the Spirit, speak in the Spirit and comforting by the Spirit (This is the tongue of the Spirit)

2 Corthinians 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

Sanctified/ so able to speak in the Spirit, to say from God the Father and our Lord Jesus. ( let there be no confusion in this tongue that speaks)

1 Corinthains 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

[sndbay]

For the Christian forum, concerning "Having the Spirit of Christ". It might be necessary for further discussion or review. So I will posted this message of scripture in offering a solution. Please review previous posting, for support of your questions. and then we can go from there. I do ask anyone who has had the spirit of truth gifted to them, to help with this discussion.

May we all offer our thankful praise to the glory of God the Father, and Son Lord Jesus Christ.

Born of God

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as HE is righteous.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 "In this" the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.




The Perfect Man

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

The question is here, can you find unity of faith and the knowledge of Christ "within" that says:

1. Christ is the begotten Son of God, seed of David (1 John 4:9)

2. He is the Branch of Righteousness Promised(Jeremiah 33:15)

3. His body and blood purged my sins (Psalms 79:9) (Hebrews 1:3)(Hebrews 10:10)

4. We are dead to sin, being quicken together with Christ (Eph 2:5)(Col 3:3)


5. We are buried in Christ through baptism (Romans 6:4) (Col 2:12)

6. Walk in the spirit of righteousness (Romans 8:4)





1 John 3:21-22-23-24 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

For those who do not believe...

2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.



It YOUR Choice

2 Peter 1:10-11 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 1:3-4-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


~in Christ