[arcura]

JoeT,
I am not an ultra liberal not a fanatic conservative.
I am a moderate and a Christian with Christian morals.
As such I agree with what the bible has to say about the poor, the widows, the children, and about fair trade and cheating practices.
Some call that being a liberal, others as being a conservative.
I consider it to be a moderate point of view and practice and not an extreme either way.
It is the extremists I have trouble with.
As far as Obama is concerned I believe he is a poor Chrsitian if one at all because of his immoral stand on abortions and same sex marriage.
BUT there are some issues that he supports which I agree with such as food, shelter, and good health care for everyone in this richest nation in history.
I believe that Jesus would support those thing as well.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[JoeT777]

Fred:

You must follow that great Spockean philosophy which says, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.” Do you know the source? Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?

JoeT

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[Maggie 3]

There is too much hate and evil on this web site for me so Goodby.

May the Lord Bless you with His Love, and fill you with Knowledge of His Will
In all spiritual Wisdom and Understanding.

Maggie 3

[arcura]

Maggie 3,
Please do not go.
We need you here.
You have valuable knowledge, experience, and opinions to share as we have often seen.
Please continue to share with us.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Clough]

Hi, Maggie 3!

There is hate and evil no matter where you will go.

People can choose to debate or not. That is purely a matter of choice...

I agree with Fred. Please do not go from here. You're probably not going to find a more rich website with information and opinions as you'll find with this one. Plus, it's very well moderated and easy to use.

One of the things about life is, it's about making choices. I've "butted heads" with many a person on this site. I've learned a lot from others on this site and it has helped me to know what I don't know as well as the things about which I could make improvement with myself and also concerning the opinions and responses that I give that I know are based on fact to people. Sometimes, I can be really off-base... As such, this site has helped to be a reality check for me.

A person could go to any number of sites and just hear what they want to hear. What would be the value in that?

Reasoning with others with different views, is an art that takes time, effort and practice. If a person goes somewhere where they only hear what they want to hear, then how will that give them the opportunity to teach and share what they believe, in order for others to possibly find out about another way, that might be beneficial to them and to all?

We all make choices. We are not, and cannot be responsible for the choices that are made by others who are adults and legally and morally deemed to be fully responsible for the choices that they make.

In short, we cannot be responsible for that which we cannot be responsible.

Please do, continue to share on this site...

God's Love and Peace to You!

Thanks!

[classyT]

Maggie,

I agree with Fred and Clough! Please stay.

[sndbay]

There is too much hate and evil on this web site for me so Goodby.

May the Lord Bless you with His Love, and fill you with Knowledge of His Will
in all spiritual Wisdom and Understanding.

Maggie 3

Maggie, your heart is full of love, and you were dealt this fullness of love and measure of faith according to what God knows you can handle. Never does God give us more then we can bear.

I know in my heart you understand HIS plan. The gift of the spirit within is a tool in which God asked that you use it, to serve HIM in honour. To bring HIS fullness of love and faith in each planted seed of love and faith you speak of, and share with all that are on this web site..

Many times I have felt the same wall that comes to block what is righteous, and in the spirit of love. A few times I have felt like leaving, and felt I was not meant to be here. But instead of walking away, use God's tool to knock the wall down.

Remember in scripture how each were dealt a portion.. What was said to that one that saved his portion because of doubt. What is fruitfulness when it is put aside?

Don't leave Maggie, you have much to continue in doing with what you were dealt by God.
In love of Christ, and in sharing HIS love, think it over before leaving.
{{{ I would miss you}}}

~in Christ

Your love spoken and true as quoted

. When godly people are silent evil triumphs. This evil and hate must be stopped, it can effect every person and everthing in the US. prayer is power and sharper then a two edged sword, it will bring us together in power. Pray like your life and country depended on it, because it does.Love ans Blessings, Maggie 3

[sndbay]

I do think we should act respectfully
and be careful not to let hatred takeover , that is from satan, and is an evil
act.


Blessings, Maggie 3

Walk having the Spirit, and Praying always with all prayer and needed favour, in the Spirit, and watch over those that remain and hold stedfast, who are beloved of God, who have been called and who do follow HIS will. Amen

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

[arcura]

Clough
Your Points are very will made and said,
Thanks,
Fred

[Clough]

Thanks, Fred!

I appreciate that very much!

Thanks!

[sndbay]

Fred:

You must follow that great Spockean philosophy which says, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.” Do you know the source? Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?

JoeT

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What was edited here Joe?




here's an idea for the source: REFER
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

John 11:49-52 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.



Suppose Now, you can know Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?



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[JoeT777]

What was edited here Joe?




here's an idea for the source: REFER
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

John 11:49-52 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.



Suppose Now, you can know Who decides the needs, who decide the few, who decides the many?



Edited to include --> Off Thread

Not quite, wrong book, (In fact you may need a movie script) you’re not even in the same millennium. The philosophy has its founding in Epicureanism; good and bad are measured by what feels good or what feels bad. The concept was renewed by Samuel Benthamin the late-1700’s; "the greatest good for the greatest number of people,” (Bentham, Jeremy. The Principles of Morals and Legislation, 1789). Some believe that Utilitarianism is one of the roots of Marxism. This doesn’t sound very Christian to me.

The quote “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one” is far more contemporary.


JoeT

[sndbay]

Some believe that Utilitarianism is one of the roots of Marxism. This doesn’t sound very Christian to me.

The quote “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one” is far more contemporary.

JoeT

Then you would agree off thread and unrelated to religion or christianity.

[arcura]

Joe,
I give up.
I do not know.
Except that who decides may change from time to time.
What do you think?
Fred

[Maggie 3]

Fred, Clough, Classy T, & Sndbay, Thanks guys, I'm back, I let my human nature
Takeover and I gave in to my feelings. "I walk by faith not by sight or[feelings]"
As a child of God I am being tranformed by the renewing of my mind. I must not
let feelings pull me back into a carnal mind. As a saint I must discipline myself to obey Christ and bring every thought into captivity to discipline myself to God's
Word. "2Cor, 10:5, "Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself
Against the knowiedge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience
Of christ, [6] and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled."
This is drawing on God's power.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

[myessha1]

I am a preacher and prophet. I know all about visions and prophesying. I can tell you this, if God has shown you that and said that it is going to happen then you can put your life on it. When God says something is going to happen then expect for it to happen. There have been things God have shown me in dreams and visions of things to be in play and it happened.

So that is what my opinions are.

God bless!

[sndbay]

So that is what my opinions are.

God bless!

I would agree with you, we just all have to also agree on what God had to say about a prophet.

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

`in Christ

[sndbay]

As a child of God I am being tranformed by the renewing of my mind. I must not let feelings pull me back into a carnal mind. As a saint I must discipline myself to obey Christ and bring every thought into captivity to discipline myself to God's Word.

Yes Maggie, we that walk in the spirit of Christ must remember what Christ walked. And as scripture says dare not make ourselves a number, or compare ourselves to others. Because the measure in which each are giving is in accordance to God's will.

We are not to look back on what was old but forward to the newness of our life in Christ. Because the old is the past and can't be change. But the the new is righteousness and in HIS image.

Held to how Christ did humble Himself, we too must be as a humble child, in thankfulness of God's glory. Knowing that all souls belong to HIM, and HIS plan is under HIS control for each.

(2 Corinthains 10:12 Matthew 18:4 )

"Glad that you are with us"

~in Christ

[Maggie 3]

Thank you sandbay, you are a great help to me.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

[adam7gur]

Maggie
Thank you for standing against the enemy.It is good to know that we have one more soldier watching on our right!