[ETWolverine]

Oho... you don't like WND, so it automatically doesn't count.

I get it.

The picture "looks incredibly doctored". Where did you get your degree in forensic picture analysis?

As for the third picture, you say it is "indexed" as belonginf to the date "April 2009". Really? Do you know that website's storage protocals enough to know that hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/pk-stand-in-the-gap.jpg?w=366&h=493 indicates that 2009/04 means the date "April 2004"? Could it be the 4th picture in that particular set of photos, which is stored in the sub-file for the year 2009? You are ASSUMING that this picture is from April 2009. It MIGHT be, but you don't know that.

Do you know of any event that occurred in April 2009 that would have drawn those types of crowds? Maybe there was one. It might have been a Tea Party event on Capital Hill... y'know, the ones that took place in April that "nobody attended" according to the MSM.

Or not.

Point is that you are ASSUMING that WorldPress.com stores its pictures by date... and only by month, not by day... rather than by story name.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

The picture "looks incredibly doctored". Where did you get your degree in forensic picture analysis?

Years of working in the industry.

As for the third picture, you say it is "indexed" as belonginf to the date "April 2009". Really? Do you know that website's storage protocals enough to know that hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/pk-stand-in-the-gap.jpg?w=366&h=493 indicates that 2009/04 means the date "April 2004"? Could it be the 4th picture in that particular set of photos, which is stored in the sub-file for the year 2009? You are ASSUMING that this picture is from April 2009. It MIGHT be, but you don't know that.

Yea I do, here's where it's from: Promise Keepers breaking one off for the ladies The Writing on the Wall it has absolutely nothing to do with the 9/12 event. <sigh>

[ETWolverine]

Years of working in the industry.

Is that anything like your years of work in Canadian healthcare? Cause you calim to be an expert on that too... and yet everything you say is directly contrary to what the real experts say.

yea I do, here's where it's from: Promise Keepers breaking one off for the ladies The Writing on the Wall it has absolutely nothing to do with the 9/12 event. <sigh>

Then what is the source of the photo? Cause it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the story in the blog either.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

You are an argumentative little thing aren't you? I'm off for a while, kids, supper, hockey etc.

[ETWolverine]

You are an argumentative little thing aren't you?

You just figured that out NOW?!

:D

[NeedKarma]

Then what is the source of the photo? Cause it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the story in the blog either.

Elliot

Here's the answer: PolitiFact | "Tea party" photo shows huge crowd ? at different event

But it turns out the photo is more than 10 years old, apparently taken during a 1997 Promise Keepers rally.

Why is there such a need to lie and misrepresents things?

[tomder55]

It has been confirmed at a number of sites that the photo posted was of a different event.
A 'tea party' protest photo turns out to be fake | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

It has been taken down from the web page I found it on with a correction.

[NeedKarma]

Absolutely pathetic to try to pass a 12 year old photo as one from an event you try to pimp.

[asking]

Just to interject something. This poll says 73&#37; of doctors favor a public option, including 10% who favor public option only (i.e. single payer).

Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option : NPR

[tomder55]

Depends on which polls you are looking at I guess. That's why I don't cite them too often

Here's one that says doctors have a much different view... that 45&#37; would consider quitting their profession if Obamacare was passed.

Investors.com - 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

[NeedKarma]

depends on which polls you are looking at I guess. that's why I don't cite them too often

But you'll cite one from a very pro-conservative mag. Look at their headlines: IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily It's all the stuff you say here.
Here's my favorite: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/PollsAbout.aspx
"An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed TIPP was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season, coming within three-tenths of a percentage point of Bush's actual margin of victory. "
Hmmm... wasn't there another election after that? LOL!

[tomder55]

Why would an NPR poll be any less weighted towards an agenda ? Like I said ;I don't put much stock in polling data.

[ETWolverine]

But you'll cite one from a very pro-conservative mag. Look at their headlines: IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily It's all the stuff you say here.
Here's my favorite: IBDeditorials.com: IBD/TIPP Economic, Presidential Election, and Political Polls
"An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed TIPP was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season, coming within three-tenths of a percentage point of Bush’s actual margin of victory. "
Hmmm....wasn't there another election after that? LOL!

So... Internet Business Daily, which makes its money through the free market, is more biased than NPR, which receives its money from the Federal government and is therefore beholding to the government's (meaning Obama's) position?

Some interesting facts about the IBD story:

1) 65% of doctors are against a government expansion plan. The President is quick to point out that the AMA backs his plan, but he ignores the fact that AMA membership is only 18% of all doctors... which would NOT indicate that he has majority support among doctors.

2) 45% of doctors say they would leave the practice of medicine if Congress passed the plan that the White House is pushing. With over 800,000 doctors working in 2006, that would mean that 360,000 of them would consider leaving the practice of medicine if we get Obamacare. Which means we would be facing the same shortage of medical professionals that other countries with nationalized health care face. This would result in rationing of care.

3) 71% of doctors say that they do not believe the President when he says that nationalized health care can expand the pool of insured by 46 million and it will cost less and provide better service. Apparently doctors can do math.

Interesting findings. Ones that seem to agree with the poll results of Americans in general. Doctors don't seem to be any more in favor of nationalized health care than the rest of the American public.

Elliot

[speechlesstx]

If we don't get universal health care it won't be for a loack of Obama's efforts. In addition to his visiting 5 morning shows yesterday (all but the most popular channel, Fox of course, maybe because Chris Matthews called the Obama White House “the biggest bunch of crybabies” he’s seen in 30 years of reporting), he'll be visiting Letterman tonight I believe.

The all Obama all the time media is bad enough, but how many laws did he break for engaging the National Endowment for the Arts as his propaganda mouthpiece?

[NeedKarma]

maybe because Chris Matthews ...

You make fun of the guy, even call him a dolt and now you'll take his word for something? LOL! Flip-flopper!!

[speechlesstx]

You make fun of the guy, even call him a dolt and now you'll take his word for something? LOL! Flip-flopper!!!!!!!

Excuse, me NK, that dolt is still a dolt. Chris Wallace, not Chris Matthews called the administration crybabies. I knew who I was referring to even though I typed the wrong last name. If you had actually looked at the Youtube site you might have noticed my typo yourself, but you tend to get too giddy over the possibility of making one of us look foolish to use your brain.

Now can you address the substance of the post and why our president is using the NEA to promote his agenda?

[speechlesstx]

Interesting USA Today-Gallup poll today...

[NeedKarma]

Interesting: 60% living paycheck to paycheck - Smart Spending Blog - MSN Money

As the economic downturn trudges on, many workers are struggling with household budgets. About six in 10 workers -- 61&#37; -- report they always or usually live paycheck to paycheck just to make ends meet, compared with 49% last year and 43% in 2007, according to a new nationwide survey of more than 4,400 workers by CareerBuilder.
Thirty percent of workers with salaries of $100,000 or more report that they too live paycheck to paycheck, versus 21% in 2008.

[ETWolverine]

Interestin indeed.

From the Gallup poll that Speechless cites:







80% of Americans are satisfied with the quality of their health care?

And 61% are even satisfied with the COST of their health care?





And then there's this:



According to this, the biggest problem that most Americans see with their health care is the cost.

Not accessibility.

Not being dropped because of pre-existing conditions.

Not the number of uninsured.

Not even insurance company greed.

Cost... this is single biggest problem with health insurance in America by a larger than 2:1 margin over every other problem that people see in health care.

So, what's Obama's solution to dealing with health care reform? He chooses the single option most likely to drive UP costs... having the government, the single most inefficient group in the world, take it over.

Of course some people here will talk about how the poll is skewed.

Others will argue that we ought to have government take over anyway because those greedy insurance companies are the ones driving up the costs, and anyway profit is evil.

But it seems to me based on this and other polls that MOST Americans see the real issues and understand what the real solutions are... or at least what they AREN'T.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

Cost... this is single biggest problem with health insurance in America by a larger than 2:1 margin over every other problem that people see in health care.

So, what's Obama's solution to dealing with health care reform? He chooses the single option most likely to drive UP costs...

Actually with single payer an individual would keep more of their money. Their taxes would see a slight bump but their basic medical needs are then cared for without worrying about being denied or being charged excessively plus no deductible. The large fees they were paying monthly for medical insurance is no longer an expense. They of course have the option for supplemental insurance if they wish.