[JudyKayTee]

And who has now rejected EVERYTHING her heroic son believed in and fought for, has relegated her son's heroic CHOICES to those of an uneducated boob led by another uneducated boob, and who has dismissed her son's ACCOMPLISHMENTS as useless and inconsequential.

There's a reason her husband dropped her like a hot potato. HE still believes in the heroism of his son.

Elliot

I would like to know what servicemen think of what she's said and done.

At any rate, I still find referring to her "outside her name" is a personal insult to her and totally unnecessary in an adult conversation (more or less) about the issues.

Other than that it's all opinion.

[excon]

I would like to know what servicemen think of what she's said and done.

Hello Judy:

I spilled my blood on the battlefield so that Cindy Sheehan could have her say. I didn't do it so ONLY those who agreed with me could.

Those who think otherwise have no understanding of their own country.

excon

[tomder55]

Judy , yes it is an insult. I assume you equally think that calling President
Bush names like Buler or the dufus or calling VP Cheney Darth Vader were unnecessary .
The fact is that " these names "are used in adult public discourse all the time . She made herself a public figure.. not me.

[JudyKayTee]

Judy , yes it is an insult. I assume you equally think that calling President
Bush names like Buler or the dufus or calling VP Cheney Darth Vader were unnecessary .
The fact is that " these names "are used in adult public discourse all the time . She made herself a public figure ..not me.

I never used those nicknames nor did I ever say or feel that they were appropriate. So you are saying that other people use derogatory nicknames; therefore, it's fine for you to do the same, public figure or not?

I don't feel that belittling someone who doesn't agree with me by making a mockery of a name increases my chances of swaying anyone over to "my" side.

Sorry. The "they did it so I can do it" didn't work with me where my stepchildren are concerned and it's not working for me now.

And, also, yes, my "ex" was a decorated Viet Nam Vet.

[tomder55]

Various insulting nicknames has been used here and on other boards at AMHD for quite a while . You just noticed ?

[ETWolverine]

Judy,

You'd think that if any of Shehan's son's platoon-mates agreed with her, they would have said something by now. I would think that most of them are out of the service by now and not constrained by military law.

Yet not a peep.

And her husband divorced her. Her family has basically disowned her.

What does that tell you about what they think of her antics?

Elliot

[tomder55]

I submit for evidence that the MSM won't give her the time of day now that Obama is President this interview that ABC's Charlie Gibson had with WLS radio host Don Wade who asked if he would cover her protest .Here is his reply :

"I gather she's going back to Martha's Vineyard...
It's such a sad story. Martha Raddatz [of ABC News] wrote a terrific book about one battle that took place in Iraq, and it was the battle in which Cindy's son was killed. And you look at somebody like that and you think here's somebody who's just trying to find some meaning in her son's death. And you have to be sympathetic to her. Anybody who has given a son to this country has made an enormous sacrifice, and you have to be sympathetic. But enough already."

[JudyKayTee]

various insulting nicknames has been used here and on other boards at AMHD for quite a while . you just noticed ?

I've seen insulting nicknames on other boards before and I've addressed them, which you would know if you would read over my answers. I've been very loud and clear on that subject, also on the subject of various types of discrimination in the event you care about that.

So what's your point? If everyone is doing it it becomes acceptable... or right?

[JudyKayTee]

Judy,

You'd think that if any of Shehan's son's platoon-mates agreed with her, they would have said something by now. I would think that most of them are out of the service by now and not constrained by military law.

Yet not a peep.

And her husband divorced her. Her family has basically disowned her.

What does that tell you about what they think of her antics?

Elliot

I don't particularly care what her husband and family think about her points of view. That's not what this discussion is about as I see it nor do I think that gives anyone the right to stoop to making fun of her name.

I asked a legitimate question to which I do not know the answer - what do other military veterans think of her views? Do you have a source of some kind?

She is entitled to her opinion. That's one of the things her son died for. Dramatic but true. She is not the first nor is she the last divorced person in the US because two people have/had different views and I am not aware that her family "basically" disowned her - whatever that means. I thought you were either disowned or not, sort of like being pregnant. You either are or are not.

At any rate - I find the name calling inappropriate. The question was whether she would get news coverage. I think she will.

In fact, I think you are giving her publicity right now - Google search and you come up with this thread!

[ETWolverine]

I don't particularly care what her husband and family think about her points of view. That's not what this discussion is about as I see it nor do I think that gives anyone the right to stoop to making fun of her name.

I haven't. I've got better ways to insult her than to make fun of her name.

I asked a legitimate question to which I do not know the answer - what do other military veterans think of her views? Do you have a source of some kind?

Only personal stories. Just the opinions of vets that I've talked to, including one Colonel in the Army Rangers and a Major in Armored Cav. Nothing that I could point to in a web link. Sorry.

I do know that soldiers and former soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan have commented on being there in the media, and their statements of pride in what they have done and desire to finish the job are directly contradictory to what Sheehan has said. Does that qualify?

She is entitled to her opinion. That's one of the things her son died for. Dramatic but true. She is not the first nor is she the last divorced person in the US because two people have/had different views and I am not aware that her family "basically" disowned her - whatever that means. I thought you were either disowned or not, sort of like being pregnant. You either are or are not.

Absolutely. She has the right to say whatever she wants, no matter how wrong or how offensive to others. That's the great thing about our country... being wrong and/or offensive all the time in public isn't a crime. (I'm sure that excon is glad of that.) She has the right to say whatever she wishes about whomever she wishes.

So do I.

At any rate - I find the name calling inappropriate. The question was whether she would get news coverage. I think she will.

In fact, I think you are giving her publicity right now - Google search and you come up with this thread!

So far, there hasn't been much coverage at all. I haven't heard her name mentioned on any news program or commentary shows on cable. I think she might have gotten a 10-second mention in one of the regular network news dumps at 11PM EST. I think it was NBC. But that's about it.

Her 15 minutes are over. She's no longer a media darling. She's done.

Interestingly enough, there has been very little mention of Iraq at all since Obama came into office. Even yesterday, when 75 people died in bombings in Bahgdad, Iraq only got a small blip in most media. Iraq is no longer a major media issue... because any continued violence there is indicative of Obama's failed policies, not Bush's. And the media is still on Obama's side. So they kill anything having to do with Iraq as much as possible.

If Iraq isn't a major media issue, as it was under the Bush admin, then there's no reason for Sheehan to be a media issue. Her issue is the Iraq war, and if they don't want to bring up Iraq as an issue for Obama, they can't afford to bring her up either.

She's done.

Elliot