[shazamataz]

i dont breed my cats on purpse..
its just wild tom cats that come up and you know,get with the mom cat lol
it not my fault they get pregnat

Hi Taylor,
I just want you to know I am not having a go at you, I hope you don't feel that way.
You thread has sparked quite a discussion though ;)
If you want us to move it to another thread then just ask.

I agree with Judy though, if your cat was spayed then there would be no chance of her getting pregnant, even if there are tom cats around that are entire.
But that is up to your mom, not you, all you can do is try to convince her to get the surgery done.

Some people don't understand the huge impact that "just one litter" can have, for every kitten that a cat has that is one kitten that will die in a shelter.
I know there is the argument that not all people want to adopt from shelters but there are so many that do.

I adopted a rabbit a few months back and there was only one other bunny there, I was so happy, they get adopted rather quickly down here, unfortunately not all shelters are the same, they euthanise animals left right and center just because they can't find homes for them.

We don't have a program for spaying/neutering strays here. I have been looking into getting one started up, as well as trying to see if any vets will do spay/neuter vouchers for low income families.

Still working on it, need to have a long chat with my vet next time I go in (he used to be the shelters vet)

[HelpinHere]

We don't have a program for spaying/neutering strays here. I have been looking into getting one started up, as well as trying to see if any vets will do spay/neuter vouchers for low income families.

Still working on it, need to have a long chat with my vet next time I go in (he used to be the shelters vet)

Good luck on that! :)
I know, I've volunteered, they are hard work and require a lot of dedication, but it's a great thing. I truly wish you the best in this endeavor of yours!

[shazamataz]

Good luck on that! :)
I know, I've volunteered, they are hard work and require a lot of dedication, but it's a great thing. I truly wish you the best in this endeavor of yours!

Thank you :)
It might take me a while but hopefully one day I can make it a reality.

[JudyKayTee]

Here's a figure I've seen before - shocking!

"In the span of seven years, an unspayed cat and her unspayed/unneutered offspring can produce 370,000 kittens! In the span of six years, an unspayed dog and her unspayed/unneutered offspring can produce 67,000 puppies!"

Why Spay or Neuter Your Dog / Cat :: Adopt-a-Pet.com

[Unknown008]

Eww... amazing! :eek:

[shazamataz]

Here's a figure I've seen before - shocking!

"In the span of seven years, an unspayed cat and her unspayed/unneutered offspring can produce 370,000 kittens! In the span of six years, an unspayed dog and her unspayed/unneutered offspring can produce 67,000 puppies!"

Why Spay or Neuter Your Dog / Cat :: Adopt-a-Pet.com

Wow, that is new to me. That's amazing.
And I thought the "puppy mill" down here was bad, producing 800 puppies in the past 10 years.

[joyluo1999]

Here's a figure I've seen before - shocking!

"In the span of seven years, an unspayed cat and her unspayed/unneutered offspring can produce 370,000 kittens! In the span of six years, an unspayed dog and her unspayed/unneutered offspring can produce 67,000 puppies!"

Why Spay or Neuter Your Dog / Cat :: Adopt-a-Pet.com

Wow:eek:, I never knew cats and dogs could have so many litters.

Joy

[Ren6]

Nearly all of my relatives are farmers, so I know how cats are viewed... it's completely utilitarian. That does not make it right, however. I have never seen a "barn cat" live beyond two or three years, due to disease and vehicular casualties. Plus, as another poster pointed out, cats are decimating wild bird (and other species) populations, particularly in my state. At least have the cats spayed, so they can't have any more kittens.

[HelpinHere]

I agree, most of them need to be spayed.

However, the cost and time invested needed to ensure that, by either the "owner's" (per-se) or the government's expense, is simply too great to make that drastic a change as to, say, spay 90% of the farm cats in Wisconson.

[JudyKayTee]

I agree, most of them need to be spayed.

However, the cost and time invested needed to ensure that, by either the "owner's" (per-se) or the government's expense, is simply too great to make that drastic a change as to, say, spay 90% of the farm cats in Wisconson.

I agree - but if ONE cat is spayed or neutered, how many kittens, how much suffering can be averted?

I think everyone has to do whatever he/she can do - and if it's one cat, then it's one.

I don't think throwing up your hands in despair over the situation - and I don't believe you are doing that - helps anyone/anything.

One cat, one spay/neuter. No one can be expected to spay, neuter all the cats anywhere but those of us who believe in spaying/neutering have to chip away at the problem one step at a time.

[Ren6]

I agree, most of them need to be spayed.

However, the cost and time invested needed to ensure that, by either the "owner's" (per-se) or the government's expense, is simply too great to make that drastic a change as to, say, spay 90% of the farm cats in Wisconson.

Most of my relatives are financially sound. They simply do not see cats as important enough to spend any money on. I'm sick of seeing dead cats squashed on the road side.

[HelpinHere]

So tell your relatives.
I do see your point. However, the OP said that his mom can't afford it. This is also the case for many people. If you can do it, then do it, but not everyone can.

You say that as if you think I like seeing it... :confused:
No one mentally sound does.

[bklyn61]

I understand the whole spay neuter thing, I have a male and a female cat,both fixed,however I think it was a question of help for the situation at hand ie:THE CAT HAS A HOLE IN ITS HEAD Now, where were we? We live on a ranch/vineyard with more than one cat:) (not a vet ) Sounds like your cat has an abscess. These guys duke it out on occasion,resulting in a wound now and then.Check with a vet , most will answer a simple question,we use peroxide,rinse (not always easy ) and a triple aintibiotic ointment(thin coat )applied repeatedly,they always seem to pull through.Good luck.

[shazamataz]

I understand the whole spay neuter thing, I have a male and a female cat,both fixed,however I think it was a question of help for the situation at hand ie:THE CAT HAS A HOLE IN ITS HEAD Now, where were we? We live on a ranch/vineyard with more than one cat:) (not a vet ) Sounds like your cat has an abscess. These guys duke it out on occasion,resulting in a wound now and then.Check with a vet , most will answer a simple question,we use peroxide,rinse (not always easy ) and a triple aintibiotic ointment(thin coat )applied repeatedly,they always seem to pull through.Good luck.

It was a Wolf Fly Larvae that burrowed into his head ;)

[shazamataz]

So tell your relatives.
I do see your point. However, the OP said that his mom can't afford it. This is also the case for many people. If you can do it, then do it, but not everyone can.

You say that as if you think I like seeing it... :confused:
Noone mentally sound does.

I do understand your point of view but I'm a bid advocate for 'If you can't afford it, don't buy it'
So in my view if you can't afford to get the animal spayed (A relatively inexpensive procedure) then you can't afford to have a cat... what if something bad happens, it gets hit by a car or develops a disease that need ongoing treatment? If you don't have the money to spay then you aren't going to have the money for that.

You know I love you Helping, just have a strong opinion on this :)

[Ren6]

So tell your relatives.
I do see your point. However, the OP said that his mom can't afford it. This is also the case for many people. If you can do it, then do it, but not everyone can.

You say that as if you think I like seeing it... :confused:
Noone mentally sound does.

I see cats dead on the road sides everywhere, not just at my relative's place...

The OP is a female (for the billionth time), and her mother owns horses. Horses are not inexpensive to keep. If the OP's mother can afford to feed and care for these animals, she can afford to get a cat spayed. People who can't or won't acquire medical care for animals really shouldn't have them.

[JudyKayTee]

I understand the whole spay neuter thing, I have a male and a female cat,both fixed,however I think it was a question of help for the situation at hand ie:THE CAT HAS A HOLE IN ITS HEAD Now, where were we? We live on a ranch/vineyard with more than one cat:) (not a vet ) Sounds like your cat has an abscess. These guys duke it out on occasion,resulting in a wound now and then.Check with a vet , most will answer a simple question,we use peroxide,rinse (not always easy ) and a triple aintibiotic ointment(thin coat )applied repeatedly,they always seem to pull through.Good luck.

Did you read the thread before you answered?

You missed some important info.

[handyamby]

I grew up on a farm with barn cats but it was the rabbits that got the bot fly larvae. We did take the rabbit to the vet and they had never seen anything like it and did not know what to do (they treated it as if it was just a wound and tried to clean it up and hope it healed) So my older sister, a vet in training so it would seem, poured salt on it which seemed to paralyze the larvae and she plucked it out. The rabbit didn't squirm or show signs of pain from this. In case this happens again to one of your animals, and your parents can spring for the vet, you could try the salt, worked for us.
By the way, we put the larvae in a container of pure alcohol where it lived happily for a week!
We took it to the vet and told them what we did in case they encountered it again.

[HelpinHere]

I do understand your point of view but I'm a bid advocate for 'If you can't afford it, don't buy it'
So in my view if you can't afford to get the animal spayed (A relatively inexpensive procedure) then you can't afford to have a cat... what if something bad happens, it gets hit by a car or develops a disease that need ongoing treatment? If you don't have the money to spay then you aren't going to have the money for that.

You know I luv ya Helpin, just have a strong opinion on this :)

I see cats dead on the road sides everywhere, not just at my relative's place...

The OP is a female (for the billionth time), and her mother owns horses. Horses are not inexpensive to keep. If the OP's mother can afford to feed and care for these animals, she can afford to get a cat spayed. People who can't or won't acquire medical care for animals really shouldn't have them.

Yes, if you can't afford to get it spayed, don't get a cat. Completely agree.
I'm saying, the people on a farm don't get the cat, the cat chases the mice. I agree, if you aren't a professional breeder, get your pet spayed/neutered, or don't get a pet. I DISAGREE in this situation. The "owners" don't "get" these animals, they come. If the owner chose to have the cat, then they should have to take care of them.

However, when people with a farm DON'T choose a cat, the cat chooses the mice. I don't feel it is their responsibility, the cat is being a wild cat. It is not the best thing in the world, but I feel that this is a much better alternative than kicking a cat out because you can't afford it's vet bills. It kills the mice for you, in exchange for the food it gets, and a barn to sleep in. Again, not the BEST solution, but it is the cat that chooses it's lifestyle, not the person, and I don't believe the people should be responsible for a cat's decision. If it was the people's decision to take the cats, then it would be a different story...

And, sorry again. The OP relates to me in many ways, and me being a male, I always just jump to "he".
SORRY TAYLOR! :o

[JudyKayTee]

Again, not the BEST solution, but it is the cat that chooses it's lifestyle, not the person, and I don't believe the people should be responsible for a cat's decision. If it was the people's decision to take the cats, then it would be a different story....

And, sorry again. The OP relates to me in many ways, and me being a male, I always just jump to "he".
SORRY TAYLOR! :o

Of everything I have EVER read on AMHD this is the hardest to swallow - the CAT chooses the lifestyle? It's the CAT'S decision?

Honestly - very hard to swallow. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I find this line of thinking to be, well, bizarre.