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Athos · Jul 22, 2009, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by 0EntitY

I have to go by how I interrupt what is written, otherwise I would probably miss the truth I seek...

Freudian slip?

N0help4u · Jul 22, 2009, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Triund

Interesting. I had never heard before your posting that the Bible also talks about reincarnation. I am eager to see those verses in the Bible.

Philippians 1:23 "to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better"

Hebrews 9:27 states, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment."

Jesus told the thief on the cross today you will be with me in Paradise.

The Bible teaches that it is appointed that we die once.

I believe
*why would God keep sending us back to get it right when we don't even know what it is we did in some past life to correct.

* Isaiah 59:1 & 2
Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; our sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

*God is not in the scrap business; He doesn't need to recycle souls.

If we can't get it right the first time why are we going to get it right a second or a two thousandth time?
If reincarnation is true then why are people still so violent?

I do believe there is something we CALL reincarnation but it is more like a host body or channeller NOT reincarnation.

450donn · Jul 22, 2009, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

Philippians 1:23 "to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better"

Hebrews 9:27 states, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment."

Jesus told the thief on the cross today you will be with me in Paradise.

The Bible teaches that it is appointed that we die once.

I believe
*why would God keep sending us back to get it right when we don't even know what it is we did in some past life to correct.Al I hearing you correctly? YOU believe in reincarnation?????

* Isaiah 59:1 & 2
Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; our sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Remember, Isaiah is Old Testament. People were under the law. The way to salvation in 700BC was through good works and animal sacrifice. This passage you cited is talking about seperation from God, noting about reincarnation.

*God is not in the scrap business; He doesn't need to recycle souls.If this were true, why then has God so mightily worked through people like Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, and myriads of others who were at the bottom only to find the one true God and go on to preach to millions around the world?

If we can't get it right the first time why are we going to get it right a second or a two thousandth time?
If reincarnation is true then why are people still so violent?

I do believe there is something we CALL reincarnation but it is more like a host body or channeller NOT reincarnation.

Unless I am misunderstanding you , I am having a real problem with your theology.

N0help4u · Jul 22, 2009, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by 450donn

Unless I am misunderstanding you , I am having a real problem with your theology.

I think the Bible verses support that God does not reincarnate us.
Not sure what theology you are seeing in that.

arcura · Jul 22, 2009, 10:05 PM

As far as I know and have been taught there is NO re-incarnation mentioned in the bible.
Incarnation, yes, but NO re-incarnation.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

galveston · Jul 27, 2009, 12:14 PM

I was filled with the Holy Ghost in 1953, spoke in "tongues", later priviliged to exercise some of the other "gifts" occasionally.

The "tongues" are the initial evidence that a person has received the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit, same Person). A casual reading of the book of Acts will show that the Apostles expected every believer to receive the Holy Ghost, and they accepted "tongues" as evidence that the believer had done so.

In addition to being evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost, tongues are also a "gift" that Paul explains to the Corinthians.

Tongues in private prayer need no interpretation, (although Paul says we should pray to interpret) while tongues in a public meeting should be interpreted.

When I speak in tongues, the mind is not involved. Strangely enough, when I interpret, my mind is only sllightly involved. It's hard to explain, but I may only get a phrase or a few words to start with, and then the words just seem to flow without any forethought on my part. In the Church setting, the message will generally be for the whole body of believers, one of encouragement, or maybe correction.

CAUTION:

No one should seek for tongues. The Holy Ghost is received through prayer, worship, and faith.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD ANYONE ATTEMPT TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE LIVING A SINFUL LIFE STYLE.

First, repent of sin and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and THEN you become a candidate for the Holy Spirit baptism. To seek for tongues while clinging to sin is to invite an evil spirit. Remember, The Devil knows plenty of languages.

Triund · Jul 27, 2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by galveston

I was filled with the Holy Ghost in 1953, spoke in "tongues", later priviliged to exercise some of the other "gifts" occasionally.

The "tongues" are the initial evidence that a person has received the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit, same Person). A casual reading of the book of Acts will show that the Apostles expected every believer to receive the Holy Ghost, and they accepted "tongues" as evidence that the believer had done so.

In addition to being evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost, tongues are also a "gift" that Paul explains to the Corinthians.

Tongues in private prayer need no interpretation, (although Paul says we should pray to interpret) while tongues in a public meeting should be interpreted.

When I speak in tongues, the mind is not involved. Strangely enough, when I interpret, my mind is only sllightly involved. It's hard to explain, but I may only get a phrase or a few words to start with, and then the words just seem to flow without any forethought on my part. In the Church setting, the message will generally be for the whole body of believers, one of encouragement, or maybe correction.

CAUTION:

No one should seek for tongues. The Holy Ghost is received through prayer, worship, and faith.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD ANYONE ATTEMPT TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IF THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE LIVING A SINFUL LIFE STYLE.

First, repent of sin and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and THEN you become a candidate for the Holy Spirit baptism. To seek for tongues while clinging to sin is to invite an evil spirit. Remember, The Devil knows plenty of languages.

Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I had been to prayer meetings and heard people speaking in tongues. I always thought that they are speaking different languages to impress people. Though I have never felt myself speaking in tongues but when I get connected to a higher power, at that stage the feeling I get is so calm and peaceful and I feel myself disconnected from my immediate surrounding, it is difficult to explain. But I know it is there. This happens at times, when I am praying, or riding my bicycle or walking and thanking Lord God for beautiful day and HIS creation. Therefore, I can understand how do people feel who have Holy Spirit and when they pray. I do not have Holy Spirit as I struggle everyday, every moment to fight and defeat Satan.

Yet I have a question, why do people with Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues pray very loudly and shout at God.

galveston · Jul 27, 2009, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Triund

Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I had been to prayer meetings and heard people speaking in tongues. I always thought that they are speaking different languages to impress people. Though I have never felt myself speaking in tongues but when I get connected to a higher power, at that stage the feeling I get is so calm and peaceful and I feel myself disconnected from my immediate surrounding, it is difficult to explain. But I know it is there. This happens at times, when I am praying, or riding my bicycle or walking and thanking Lord God for beautiful day and HIS creation. Therefore, I can understand how do people feel who have Holy Spirit and when they pray. I do not have Holy Spirit as I struggle everyday, every moment to fight and defeat Satan.

Yet I have a question, why do people with Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues pray very loudly and shout at God.

To answer your question.

Sheer exuberance, ususlly. Not all spirit filled people shout when they pray, but neither are they inhibited. Spirit filled or not, everyone has his/her own personality.

Someone complained, "You don't have to shout, God isn't deaf".
Another replied, "Neither is He nervous".

arcura · Jul 27, 2009, 10:10 PM

galveston
Thanks for telling us your story in that.
Unfortunately I'm still hard to convince about speaking in tongues.
One reason is that I believe so many are fakes.
Another is that I have been told that when I sleep I often speak in strange languages.
My brother once recorded such an instance and played it for me because I do not know any other language well (I do know some German words and phrases).
What I heard myself say was a mystery.
It sounded like gibberish and the more I listened to try to understand what was said the more I was convinced that it was in no language I was aware of (If indeed it was a language at all).
Peace and kindness,
Fred

a1g3b5 · Aug 3, 2009, 12:46 PM

Hello.an answer to your is yes.talking in tongues or as us clergy put speaking in tongues is a very valuable gift of the Holy Spirit.. I do it everyday because it brings peace of mind and spiritual power to the believer. I don't have time to really go in to this topic because it involves a lot of teaching and supplication and the understanding of why it is a must for people who are serious about their prayer life,, but what I can tell you is this,speaking in tongues is a prayer language between you and God. It breaks down the barrier of the devil.the devil cannot understand your prayer language one reason because it is not of him or from him.this is a very powerful weapon God give to us upon request.oh yes! You have to ask for it,, and God will give to you,, so hopefully I have help someone with this but it is a very nessesary tool for the serious believer.God bless

arcura · Aug 3, 2009, 10:47 PM

a1g3b5,
Thanks for your offering on that.
I have great difficulty believing in speaking in tongues for many people.
Yes I believe that some can do so but I also think that many are fakes.
Speaking in tongues in the bible was for people from many different lands to understand what was being said. It wasn't for preachers whose entire congregation spoke English as some on TV do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

a1g3b5 · Aug 4, 2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by a1g3b5

Hello.an answer to your is yes.talking in tongues or as us clergy put speaking in tongues is a very valuable gift of the Holy Spirit..i do it everyday because it brings peace of mind and spiritual power to the believer. i don't have time to really go in to this topic because it involves a lot of teaching and supplication and the understanding of why it is a must for people who are serious about their prayer life,,,but what i can tell you is this,speaking in tongues is a prayer language between you and God. it breaks down the barrier of the devil.the devil cannot understand your prayer language one reason because it is not of him or from him.this is a very powerful weapon God give to us upon request.oh yes!! you have to ask for it,,,and God will give to you,,,.so hopefully i have help someone with this but it is a very nessesary tool for the serious believer.God bless

Hello again I see this issue went well but let me say this,, only you can decide that if you are ready for that step in your life,, God will not impose upon you to make any decisions about what you want to do with your Spirituality.now if an indiviual is ready then let him come.Thats God's way,, Well till the next time,, be sweet and stay bless!!

galveston · Aug 4, 2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

a1g3b5,
Thanks for your offering on that.
I have great difficulty believing in speaking in tongues for many people.
Yes I believe that some can do so but I also think that many are fakes.
Speaking in tongues in the bible was for people from many different lands to understand what was being said. It wasn't for preachers whose entire congregation spoke English as some on TV do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

You are missing something important.

John 16:13-14
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(KJV)

Jesus said that the Spirit of truth is a Person. (Indeed, He is the third Person in the God Head)

He will show us things to come.

He will glorify Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit Baptism does so much more than allow us to speak in tongues. In our life, He gives the strength to live a HOLY life.

He gives the endument of power that permits believers to heal the sick, cast out demons, and raise the dead. (Yes, those things DO still happen.)

I know the OP was only about speaking in tongues, but it is error to separate that experiene from the total work of the Holy Spirit in the individual believer.

arcura · Aug 4, 2009, 10:05 PM

galveston,
Yes I agree with those passages and all in the bible...
But...
I still do not believe in speaking in tongues to a group of people who all speak the same language. There is no need for it and to be the gobble-de-gook spoken is fake.
If a person was doing so to a group of people from different lands and different languages I would consider that to be as it was done as the bible records.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Unknown008 · Aug 5, 2009, 07:16 AM

Well acura, I would say that talking in tongues is not speaking a language that someone from another country will be able to understand. This is a language only between God and you. No one is supposed to understand this, except God himself. The Holy Spirit is the one talking for us, from deep inside our heart. That means that the one speaking in tongues himself doesn't know what he's talking about. But then, you have another ability, that of interpretation of tongues.

This enables you, through the power of God, to translate what you have said, in the case that it would be beneficial to the people around you. It's obvious that if nobody translates 'important messages', no one will receive it.

This therefore means that the interpretation of tongues is only for the 'other people' to understand, some sort of sharing previously in-comprehensible news.

N0help4u · Aug 5, 2009, 07:19 AM

The Bible says it can be either.
In Acts it says they were speaking in tongues and foreigners understood them.
Some speak a foreign language while others speak a 'heavenly' language.

Unknown008 · Aug 5, 2009, 07:24 AM

Oh, OK NH, I didn't know about this :o I always thought that the true 'speaking in tongues' was in the 'heavenly language'. A good point you made :)

galveston · Aug 5, 2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

galveston,
Yes I agree with those passages and all in the bible....
But...
I still do not believe in speaking in tongues to a group of people who all speak the same language. There is no need for it and to be the gobble-de-gook spoken is fake.
If a person was doing so to a group of people from different lands and different languages I would consider that to be as it was done as the bible records.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I have personally be in a meeting where a "message in tongues" was given, followed by an "interpretertaion". It was a large meeting attended by many missionaries.

At the end of the service, a missionary testified that the "tongues" were understood by him as it was the language of the people he ministered to, AND he also said that the "intertpretation" was a literal translation, although neither the speaker or the interpretator spoke or understood the language.

All foreign languages sound like gibberish to me. Earthly or Heavenly.

arcura · Aug 5, 2009, 09:51 PM

Galveston,
Now, that instance you described I can accept for it fits what the bible says about speaking in tongues.
Thanks.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cogs · Aug 6, 2009, 07:44 PM

I was reading other posts about this subject. When people experience these spiritual 'gifts', the supernatural part is that of the spirit of god. I know someone can lay their hands on someone and pray for healing for them, but it's god's decision to heal them or not. When a person gives prophecy, the supernatural is at work predicting the future that actually happens. So, although we're able to do what seems supernatural, only god has the true power to move his spirit, through a person's body or mind. And this verse makes an interpreter necessary:
1Cr 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Cr 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Cr 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.