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excon · Jul 20, 2009, 09:30 AM

Hello wingers:

You know, you're whole right wing thing about NEVER admitting that we did wrong, is wrong.

In fact, it's bizarre. I don't know WHY you do this. You can't really think that we've done no wrong. Do you? Really? If we have, you certainly don't think recognizing it harms us, do you? Do you think denying it does us GOOD??

Of course, admitting that we've done wrong, doesn't mean that we've never done anything right. It doesn't diminish any of those things. However, denying that we've ever done wrong certainly DOES diminish the good we do.

It's blindness... It's an emperor wearing no clothes...

Maybe I've got you guys wrong. Is it that we've done no wrong, or you just don't want to admit it?

excon

speechlesstx · Jul 20, 2009, 09:48 AM

Hello ex, seems my last post touched a nerve.

Have "we" as a nation officially "contributed most significantly to the problem that we face with climate change?" How does Hillary justifyy that statement? Is she using scientific facts or is that more of that "true pretty much" stuff scientists are going by these days? Just curious.

I don't see that we have anything to apologize for here so why are we apologizing? If Obama wants to apologize he can start by apologizing to the Iranian people for not standing with them over their fraudulent election. He can apologize for supporting the wannabe dictator in the Honduras instead of supporting their Constitution and rule of law. He can apologize for snubbing Sarkozy, giving stupid DVD's to the Queen and sticking his nose in the German election. Then he can apologize for being so darned apologetic. How's that?

excon · Jul 20, 2009, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Have "we" as a nation officially "contributed most significantly to the problem that we face with climate change?"

Hello Steve:

First off, you don't believe there IS a problem, so nobody could have contributed to it. But, if there IS a problem with climate change, and it comes from throwing our industrial trash into the air, then yes we have.

But, more to my point. You think we're perfect, and never admitting that we aren't is a GOOD way to go about things??

I wonder if you relate that philosophy to the fact that the party who thinks that way is OUT of power, and getting farther and farther away from ever getting it back?

excon

speechlesstx · Jul 20, 2009, 10:16 AM

Nope, I don't think we're perfect, I don't think anyone is perfect. We just have different ideas on what we should apologize for. By the way, Obama's approval ratings and support for his health care plan are rapidly eroding. More Americans now trust Republicans on the economy than Democrats, and the latest polling shows job approval for Congress is at 22 percent with a disapproval rating of 65 percent. I wouldn't write off the GOP just yet.

tomder55 · Jul 20, 2009, 11:10 AM

Does going around the world apologizing for every conceivable slight either real or imagined enhance our national image ? Or does it make our leaders look like a bunch of eunichs ?
Hint ;I don't see ANY other national leader doing mea culpas and self flagulations so why does our commander feel compelled to do it unless he is in fact ashamed of the country he leads ?

Let him apologize for his own actions then perhaps I'll think it justified . But he is going around the world saying all his predecessors were wrong which is a collective insult to them . What a putz ! Does he really think telling the French the US has been arrogant is appropriate or necessary ? The French ? He went to central America and insulted JFK to defend himself against the idiot Ortega's rants . Did he get anything in return for his grovels ? No .

excon · Jul 20, 2009, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Did he get anything in return for his grovels ? No .

Hello tom:

Maybe if we didn't deny that we support Kings who ARE dictators, (as opposed to democratically elected leaders you CALL dictators), we might not have been attacked on 9/11. Maybe if we didn't deny that we overthrew the elected leader in Iran, and imposed the Shah on them, they wouldn't be so pissed at us. I don't know how you don't know that.

In fact, you don't think that ANY of the bad stuff that happens to us, has anything to do with the bad stuff that we do. You don't see a connection. I don't see how you could miss it.

In fact, you THINK denying it is a GOOD foreign policy, and that its worked well for us in the past.

I couldn't disagree more.

excon

ETWolverine · Jul 20, 2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello wingers:

You know, you're whole right wing thing about NEVER admitting that we did wrong, is wrong.

In fact, it's bizarre. I dunno WHY you do this. You can't really think that we've done no wrong. Do you? Really?? If we have, you certainly don't think recognizing it harms us, do you? Do you think denying it does us GOOD???

Of course, admitting that we've done wrong, doesn't mean that we've never done anything right. It doesn't diminish any of those things. However, denying that we've ever done wrong certainly DOES diminish the good we do.

It's blindness.... It's an emperor wearing no clothes...

Maybe I've got you guys wrong. Is it that we've done no wrong, or you just don't want to admit it?

excon

First of all, speaking as one who IS very nearly perfect (or as Rush puts it "certified right 99.6% of the time"), I take the view that I don't need anybody apologizing for me. On the rare occasions when I am wrong, I don't need anyone apologizing for me, I can do it fine just by myself. And I SURELY don't want my rare mistakes being brought up in the international media where my political and diplomatic enemies can use it against me. And you know they will. They always do.

Second, take a look at WHO the apologies are being made to. The leaders of some of the most corrupt, barbarous, pollution-creating, civil-rights-abusing, woman-raping, murdering nations in the world. Who are they that we should be apologizing to them? In most cases, if not for our aid, they'd all be dead or slaves to other, more barbarous nations. In several cases, the apologies were made to those who have attacked us, or supported those who did. To enemies. Why would we apologize to parties that are guilty of the same and MUCH worse, and continue to desire our destruction? What apologies do we owe them?

Third, Obama isn't just apologizing for our wrongs. In several cases he is deliberately recanting our good accomplishments. Most recently, in Moscow University, he said that the fall of the Soviet Union was not due to the actions of Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope JPII, but rather due to the great leadership of the former Soviet Union and its pupet states. He completely negated the actions taken by AMERICA and its leaders. He's done that a number of times, that one just happened to be the most recent and most blatant.

So your basic premise is wrong. Obama isn't just apologizing for the bad stuff we may have done. He's actively downplaying the GOOD we have done. Which means that what you said in your OP about Obama apologizing for us "not diminishing the good we have done" is completely wrong. He is doing just that.

Elliot

tomder55 · Jul 21, 2009, 06:44 AM

There were serious issues to discuss on her trip to India .These included both economic and military cooperation in the region.But Evita squandered her time on the insignificant issue of C02 emissions .

Her apology was an embarrassment to her and to the country that did nothing to further relations .In fact it did the opposite . The Indians gave her an earful about the issue.

N0help4u · Jul 21, 2009, 08:14 PM

Have to agree with Elliot 100%
Other countries have even said he is showing a weakness and vulnerability by apologizing which to many countries is interpreted as a disgrace to oneself.

speechlesstx · Jul 24, 2009, 10:11 AM

What's funny is Obama will apologize for every perceived evil allegedly perpetrated by Republicans but won't apologize for himself. He doesn't see it as any big deal to impugn the Cambridge police after having admitted to "not having been there and not seeing all the facts."

He's also very good at blaming everyone but himself for his legislative woes even though Democrats have the White House, a 70 seat majority in he House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

twinkiedooter · Jul 26, 2009, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

What's funny is Obama will apologize for every perceived evil allegedly perpetrated by Republicans but won't apologize for himself. He doesn't see it as any big deal to impugn the Cambridge police after having admitted to "not having been there and not seeing all the facts."

He's also very good at blaming everyone but himself for his legislative woes even though Democrats have the White House, a 70 seat majority in he House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Of course he blames everyone else for his shortcomings. He's a narcissist and happily blames everyone else as he is perfect.

He should apologize to the American public though for not proving his real birth certificate proving that he is not a natural born citizen and an illegal alien living in this country illegally. That is what he needs to apologize for. Not America, or anything America has done in the past or present. It seems that every time that man opens his mouth he puts someone else's foot in it. If his handlers would just keep him off TV giving inane speeches that make no sense in the real world and stop jaunting around the world and this country to prove his "point" whatever that may be on whatever topic he thinks he has a slight inkling of what it is about, then he would do a lot better in his popularity contest as King of America or Emperor of America (take your choice here).

Skell · Jul 26, 2009, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Of course he blames everyone else for his shortcomings. He's a narcissist and happily blames everyone else as he is perfect.

He should apologize to the American public though for not proving his real birth certificate proving that he is not a natural born citizen and an illegal alien living in this country illegally. That is what he needs to apologize for. Not America, or anything America has done in the past or present. It seems that everytime that man opens his mouth he puts someone else's foot in it. If his handlers would just keep him off TV giving inane speeches that make no sense in the real world and stop jaunting around the world and this country to prove his "point" whatever that may be on whatever topic he thinks he has a slight inkling of what it is about, then he would do a lot better in his popularity contest as King of America or Emperor of America (take your choice here).

Hahaha.

I love your posts!! I'd really like to meet you. You crack me up!!

speechlesstx · Jul 27, 2009, 06:40 AM

I have to say ask, can we please put this birth certificate conspiracy to rest? It is NOT an issue.

ETWolverine · Jul 27, 2009, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I have to say ask, can we please put this birth certificate conspiracy to rest? It is NOT an issue.

I agree. There are plenty of GOOD reasons to dislike Obama. His policies, being the main ones, though his relationships with radical anti-Americans is pretty far up on the list too.

We do not need to create false conspiracies that make those who are against his policies look like conspiracy nut-jobs.

Stick with the issues. There's quite enough to be against Obama there.

Elliot

tomder55 · Jul 27, 2009, 07:31 AM

I addressed the non-issue of the President's birth cert. during the campaign.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.html

excon · Jul 27, 2009, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by ETWolverine

We do not need to create false conspiracies that make those who are against his policies look like conspiracy nut-jobs.

Hello again, El:

But you did, and you do. Bummer.

excon

ETWolverine · Jul 27, 2009, 07:55 AM

Nah... I stick to what he does. That's what ticks you off so much.

Unlike you, I don't have to make up conspiracy theories about assassination plots and government takeovers by right wingers to make a point. I just stick to the facts.

excon · Jul 27, 2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by ETWolverine

We do not need to create false conspiracies that make those who are against his policies look like conspiracy nut-jobs. Elliot

Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Nah... I stick to what he does. That's what ticks you off so much.

Hello again, El:

Please try to follow along here... You used the word "we". I'm assuming you were talking about others of your right wing persuasion.

I then used the euphemistic "you", in my reply. I spoke about "you" in the same way you spoke about "we". That ain't hard to grasp, is it?

Then you appear to deny that people on YOUR side DO create these false conspiracy's... It's OK. I'm used to your denial of the undeniable.

excon

speechlesstx · Jul 27, 2009, 09:43 AM

It was just a week or so ago that I was accused of doing nothing but attacking Obama, "that's all you do" were the words used I believe. The story here is I asked to put an end to this conspiracy theory in defense of Obama, something tom had done months and months ago and to which Elliot concurs. Just let the record show we've all 3 defended Obama on this.

ETWolverine · Jul 27, 2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, El:

Please try to follow along here... You used the word "we". I'm assuming you were talking about others of your right wing persuasion.

I then used the euphemistic "you", in my reply. I spoke about "you" in the same way you spoke about "we". That ain't hard to grasp, is it?

Then you appear to deny that people on YOUR side DO create these false conspiracy's... It's ok. I'm used to your denial of the undeniable.

excon

But you addressed the post to me... you even said "hello again, El". If you meant "you" in the plural sense, you were very unclear about it, especially since you specifically addressed me in the post.

Elliot