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follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:30 PM

Some people argue that the reason cannabis is not legal is because it cannot be taxed. Sure someone can grow tons of plants and reap a huge benefit of cash from it, and the government can't do anything about it because its legal. However, were forgetting about the civil institutions we set up to battle these greedy ploys. The earth is full of fish, we could get a boat, pick up our rods, and go fishing, sell them and make a profit just for sitting on the water and getting drunk. But no, we've got boating licenses and fishing licenses. Isn't a license a perfect way to regulate and tax cannabis? If the government were to set up a civil institution in which one could obtain a license to grow cannabis, and pay annual dues to a tax agency, haven't we just solved our problem. Needless to say we don't even have to get into the "harmful effects" in which there are few, as opposed to some of these over the counter pain pills that "May have some side affects which include nausea, heartburn, cancer, tumors, and strokes"... Not only will the government get money and taxes, they can regulate and view your production through the use of paper trails and web records. Also, this would be a great economical stimulis setting up small and large businesses togrow and sell cannabis, we would have many more people going through colleges and university for biology, botany and entrepreneurial skills to open these buisnesses. We would have a huge cash crop. We would have a huge export rate (im from Canada), and I'm sure many countries would follow suit if the super powers are doing it. Cannabis can be used for clothing, food, plastics, ropes and string, propelling agents for cars and vehicles instaed of harmful gas. You can build and run a car almost strickly from hemp, besides the frame of the car. There is such a huge investment waiting to be realized, so much medical potential, so much economical potential, so much recreational potential, tourism potential... and here's a way to regulate and tax cannabis. Does this sound effect to you?

N0help4u · Jul 19, 2009, 05:38 PM

Hemp is already legally used to make clothes and other things.

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

Hemp is already legally used to make clothes and other things.

Your point being? What about the rest of my points? Medical, economical, tourism, recreational, industrial, environmental? Christ, I don't care about clothes, cotton is made of organics too. Im talking about politics, not fashion...

excon · Jul 19, 2009, 05:42 PM

Hello f:

You got my vote. It's happening in California already.

excon

artlady · Jul 19, 2009, 05:43 PM

Not realizing our potential resources for hemp is imbecilic.
It goes back to the Nixon drug war.
In world war two farmers were forced to stop raising their crops so they could grow hemp. You would have to smoke an acre of hemp to get high.
I am an active member of Hemp.org and to not tap into this green and well rounded resource is insane.

Hemp.Org, Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp, CRRH, The Hemp and Cannabis Foundation, THCF, THCF Medical Clinics, Restore Hemp, Medical Marijuana Clinics, Medical Marijuana Doctors, Medical Marijuana Referrals, Cannabis Common Sense,

artlady · Jul 19, 2009, 05:46 PM

As to your other point,recreational use being legalized,not unless the powers that be can make a profit.
Not going to happen unless their palms are greased.

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by artlady

Not realizing our potential resources for hemp is imbecilic.
It goes back to the Nixon drug war.
In world war two farmers were forced to stop raising their crops so they could grow hemp. You would have to smoke an acre of hemp to get high.
I am an active member of Hemp.org and to not tap into this green and well rounded resource is insane.

Hemp.Org, Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp, CRRH, The Hemp and Cannabis Foundation, THCF, THCF Medical Clinics, Restore Hemp, Medical Marijuana Clinics, Medical Marijuana Doctors, Medical Marijuana Referrals, Cannabis Common Sense,

And again, what's so bad about getting high? Its another industry opener. Sure we can use hemp, and grow crappy cannabis that is unsmokable. Or, we can grow good cannabis, regulate it like a legal drug, make businesses, and use the left over leaves and stems to make hemp plastics and fuels etc etc. There is endless amounts of things this can be used for.

N0help4u · Jul 19, 2009, 05:46 PM

Try watching the movie Air America with Mel Gibson and tell me that the government isn't in on the drug money and bringing it into this country. I believe the movie and I believe it happens with weed as well as the opium.
If the government really wanted to cut back on the drug trafficking they could.
Why is there no absinthe or Ishwatha and many other illegal drugs in this country?
Because our government said they are illegal and they meant it.
I know they can't stop all weed because people do grow it their own selves and all but I really believe if the government wasn't making a profit (other than busts) and they REALLY wanted it stopped there would only be maybe 20 to 30 % the amount of weed there is.
FACT is they don't want it stopped.
I have no idea why they don't want it legal for tax purposes but I never did understand the governments madness.

artlady · Jul 19, 2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by follow please

And again, whats so bad about getting high? Its another industry opener. Sure we can use hemp, and grow crappy cannabis that is unsmokable. Or, we can grow good cannabis, regulate it like a legal drug, make businesses, and use the left over leaves and stems to make hemp plastics and fuels ect ect. There is endless amounts of things this can be used for.

No thanks,I prefer to grow my own,I don't want the gov in on my anything,they would just screw it up!

Fr_Chuck · Jul 19, 2009, 05:48 PM

Folllow the money, is there more money in tax or is there more money in fines when they catch people

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by artlady

As to your other point,recreational use being legalized,not unless the powers that be can make a profit.
Not going to happen unless their palms are greased.

Sorry but that's the point of this question. Im trying to creat a tax system to regulate this plant. Does a licensing system work well for cannabis. You need to be of age to sell alcohol, you need a permit and license to sell alcohol, there are taxes in place on alcohol. Why not license cannabis productions and businesses, now we have money, taxes, regulation, and records

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Folllow the money, is there more money in tax or is there more money in fines when they catch people

Mmm, that's a good point, I like that kind of thinking. But there's more money in taxes... you pay almost 200 percent taxes on cigarettes when you observe production costs and distribution. Same with alcohol, I think its 50-100 percent tax

N0help4u · Jul 19, 2009, 05:53 PM

Yeah my bet is if they legalized weed they would tax it at triple what cigarettes are taxed.

excon · Jul 19, 2009, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by follow please

Why not license cannabis productions and businesses, now we have money, taxes, regulation, and records

Hello, again, f:

It IS happening in California... I just said that. Did you forget? Dude! The rest of you are right too. They're not doing it because it's the RIGHT thing to do. They're doing it because they can raise billions in taxes, and California is BROKE.

It's EASY too. Come on. They tax cabbage, don't they?

excon

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

yeah my bet is if they legalized weed they would tax it at triple what cigarettes are taxed.

Well we don't know this, I'm sure there's going to be a nice shiny tax on it, but there are limits to which they can justify a tax that high. They must have some reason as to why they should tax it at 300 percent not just "because you like it and buy it". We the people should be voicing and not being led by a sheppard. Democracy means the people have power, and have elected people to rule and listen to our votes. Sure there's scandal and whatnot, but its because political involvement in the masses is low, therefore the government only needs weed defense to stifle our opposition. Civil disobedience is the best way to a revolution, if we want something, we make it happen. The government is scary, but its not authoritarian just yet my friend, we still have a voice, even if it's a whisper

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello, again, f:

It IS happening in California... I just said that. Did you forget? Dude! The rest of you are right too. They're not doing it because it's the RIGHT thing to do. They're doing it because they can raise billions in taxes, and California is BROKE.

It's EASY too. Come on. They tax cabbage, don't they?

excon

YES, I know its happening, I'm well aware of it :) Trust me :) But MY government still whines about taxes... and I'm whining back "You retards are just to lazy to look at what youve done with countless others to get some money...the public are sitting here WANTING to pay your taxes and youre saying NO!?"

excon · Jul 19, 2009, 05:59 PM

Hello:

Am I the only one hearing an echo?? Helloooooo. Is there anybody in here?

excon

artlady · Jul 19, 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by follow please

Well we dont know this, im sure theres going to be a nice shiny tax on it, but there are limits to which they can justify a tax that high. They must have some reason as to why they should tax it at 300 percent not just "because you like it and buy it". We the people should be voicing and not being led by a sheppard. Democracy means the people have power, and have elected people to rule and listen to our votes. Sure theres scandal and whatnot, but its because political involvment in the masses is low, therefore the government only needs weed defense to stifle our opposition. Civil disobedience is the best way to a revolution, if we want something, we make it happen. The government is scary, but its not authoritarian just yet my friend, we still have a voice, even if its a whisper

I'm and old hippie and civil disobedience is my claim to fame but I still don't want them involved.
I take my chances,I smoke when I want and where I live cops could care less.
If they bust you they usually take some and you get a smaller count in court.
In New York,it is called a syntax and it is on cigs,beer ,boats,you name it.

follow please · Jul 19, 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

Am I the only one hearing an echo??? Helloooooo. Is there anybody in here??

excon

Are you just being thick headed? Im in canada... not the states. Im nowhere near California. The CANADIAN government has not legalized it, and the CANADIAN government doesn't have a tax system for it. This is my proposal to my dilemma, and I'm looking for INTELLIGENT people to respond and tell my if they agree with it, NOT if its happening elsewhere...

N0help4u · Jul 19, 2009, 06:03 PM

My state is legalizing gambling and building a big casino so they can raise money for their broke wasteful sorry @$$e$.
* They also taxed cigarettes and beer with the sin tax. 300 percent is nothing to them