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galveston · Jul 15, 2009, 08:56 AM

Harry Reid has attached hate crime legislation to an appropriations bill in order to pass something that would not pass on its own.

S909 us a direct assault against our freedom of speech, and is designed to muzzle all criticism of a peverted life style.

If you do not believe you should have to give up your free speech rights, contact your Senators NOW.

Those of you who think it will not matter to you should remember, if they can silence my voice, then they can silence yours whenever they want to on whatever subject they choose. (They being elected and unelected officials.)

twinkiedooter · Jul 15, 2009, 06:06 PM

Thanks for pointing this out Galveston. Most Americans are in lala land and haven't a clue what the Hate Crimes Bill really is and what the ramifications of it's passage will do to American every day life. If it is passed, it will be just another nail in America's coffin. Then will come the insidious health care bill to really nail the coffin closed on America.

I did read online that there was quite an influx of pro-Hate Bill folks calling their senators for it's passage! Well, if more Americans who believe in this country will actually pick up a phone and call up, maybe this horrendous bill will not pass.

N0help4u · Jul 15, 2009, 06:12 PM

Yeah many people are FOR stopping some speech but do not realize that if the person who they do not want to hear is stopped from speaking then eventually THEY too can be stopped from speaking. Also with the way the bill is written if I heard right anybody could call anything they feel they don't like hate speech. Where would it stop if anybody can call anything they feel is hate speech something that should be stopped?

twinkiedooter · Jul 15, 2009, 06:13 PM

NoHelp - I find this bill very, very scary.

excon · Jul 15, 2009, 06:24 PM

Hello gal:

I agree with you about hate crimes. I don't know how you figure out somebody has hate in his heart when he commits a crime...

But, the KEY here, is committing a crime. You're going to be able to say all the vile things you like about groups who you think are perverted. What you can't do, is bash them in the head WHILE you're saying vile things about them.

So, if all you plan to do is exercise your free SPEECH rights, then you'll be OK.

excon

N0help4u · Jul 15, 2009, 06:34 PM

Ex are you saying that is what the bill says or the way you think things should be?

speechlesstx · Jul 16, 2009, 06:29 AM

See this thread for some of the things our AG and Alcee Hastings say about what this scary bill means.

excon · Jul 16, 2009, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

ex are you saying that is what the bill says or the way you think things should be?

Hello again, N0:

It's what I said. They're not trying to limit free speech. You guys can spew hate at the faggots all you want. Just don't say it while you shoot 'em.

This is from the actual bill:

(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder admitted a homosexual activist who is attacked following a Christian minister's sermon about homosexuality would be protected by the proposed federal law, but a minister attacked by a homosexual wouldn't be.

I suppose that's what got you all in a tither. But, it makes sense to me.. I've never heard about any ministers being attacked because they were ministers. Have you?

excon

PS> You can come to me with all your right wing emails. I'll tell you the truth about 'em.

galveston · Jul 16, 2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, N0:

It's what I said. They're not trying to limit free speech. You guys can spew hate at the faggots all you want. Just don't say it while you shoot 'em.

This is from the actual bill:

(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder admitted a homosexual activist who is attacked following a Christian minister's sermon about homosexuality would be protected by the proposed federal law, but a minister attacked by a homosexual wouldn't be.

I suppose that's what got you all in a tither. But, it makes sense to me.. I've never heard about any ministers being attacked because they were ministers. Have you?

excon

PS> You can come to me with all your right wing emails. I'll tell you the truth about 'em.

You need to find out what is happening in the outside world more.

[Edit] If it is NOT a bad bill why did Harry attach it to a defense appropriation bill? After all, there is a Democrat majority in the Senate. Remember?

Now to kill the hate crime attachment, they have to vote down a necessary appropriations bill.