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Jul 13, 2009, 07:26 AM
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NK ;perhaps you should read liberal Camile Paglia's take on the debate from the left wing site you sourced earlier .
Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and more | Salon
Although nothing will sway my vote for Obama, I continue to enjoy Sarah Palin's performance on the national stage. During her vice-presidential debate last week with Joe Biden (whose conspiratorial smiles with moderator Gwen Ifill were outrageous and condescending toward his opponent), I laughed heartily at Palin's digs and slams and marveled at the way she slowly took over the entire event. I was sorry when it ended! But Biden wasn't -- judging by his Gore-like sighs and his slow sinking like a punctured blimp.
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Jul 13, 2009, 07:28 AM
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Good for Camille! She picked a winner!
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Jul 13, 2009, 09:00 AM
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Here's my take on what Palin is planning:
She is going to spend the next 6-12 months on the talking circuit. This will give her a certain amount of wealth and will keep her in the political spotlight in the appropriate circles.
She will then run for the Alaskan Senate Seat that is up for grabs in 2010. After she wins that seat (and she will), she will be appointed to at least one foreign policy committee. One of the biggest complaints about her in the media was her lack of foreign policy experience. A seat on a foreign policy committee will cure that lack.
She will then consider her options. If she has the support and the money, she'll make a run for the presidency in 2012. If not, she'll wait it out and make a run in 2016.
Either way, giving up the governorship now puts her in a position to run for the senate seat. It's actually a brilliant move. She will come to any run for the Presidency with a resume that is stronger than Obama's. She will have Gubenatorial and Mayoral (executive) experience, Senate experience (which will be equal to or more than the amount that Obama had during his run for the Presidency), she will have speechmaking experience (which will polish her already strong speaking skills), she will have a history as a budget cutter, and she will have experience having sat on the hot seat already.
By that time, given the direction things are going right now, Obama's popularity and that of the Democrats will be in the crapper. Dems will be seen as the tax and spenders they are, Obama will be blamed for the massive budget deficits we haven't seen yet, the increasing unemployment rates, nationalization of private industry, etc. Dems will not be able to defend against these charges because they will clearly have been the cause of these things.
Conservatives and Republicans, being on the outside right now, and lacking control of any part of the government right now, will be able to rightfully deny being a part of it. The right will become ascendent again. And Palin will be perfectly positioned for a run for the Presidency.
That is my prediction.
All of you fools who argue that Palin is "running away" or is "a quitter" are in for the shock of your lives. She's not running away from anything. She's going to go head to head with the media and the political powers that be on HER TERMS. She's following Sun Tzu and Musashi... she's choosing her own ground on which to fight. And none of you even see it coming.
Elliot
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Jul 13, 2009, 09:08 AM
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 Originally Posted by ETWolverine
That is my prediction.
All of you fools who argue that Palin is "running away" or is "a quitter" are in for the shock of your lives. She's not running away from anything. She's going to go head to head with the media and the political powers that be on HER TERMS. She's following Sun Tzu and Musashi... she's choosing her own ground on which to fight. And none of you even see it coming.
Hello again, El:
I think you're right. She IS laying the foundation for a run at the presidency. I think she'll lose, though. One of the primary reasons, however, won't be her dumbness. It'll be having left the Alaska voters in the lurch.
She has a history of quitting. It's going to bite her.
excon
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Jul 13, 2009, 09:12 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, El:
I think you're right. She IS laying the foundation for a run at the presidency. I think she'll lose, though. One of the primary reasons, however, won't be her dumbness. It'll be having left the Alaska voters in the lurch.
She has a history of quitting. It's gonna bite her.
excon
We'll just have to wait and see. She may win, she may lose. Either way, what she's doing now is BRILLIANT politics in terms of setting up her future.
I seem to remember Richard Nixon getting elected to the Presidency after quitting. "After today, you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore." "Quitting" didn't hurt him all that much in his run for President.
I could be wrong about whether it will hurt her. But as for what her plan is... that seems simple enough to figure out.
Elliot
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Jul 13, 2009, 04:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah imagine how smart she would sound with a team of speech writers and surrounded by teleprompters.
Well if she isn't smart or politically savvy enough to do what's necessary NOT to appear dumb, then well unfortunately she's even dumber than she appeared. And that was DUMB!!
Honestly, you guys talk about the apparent damage Obama has done to your image / reputation around the world. You say he is a laughing stock amongst the worlds leaders. You're wrong of course. But let me assure you that if this women was elected to any sort of position of power than it'd be more than just funny... People are already laughing that she got as far as she did.
You guys should be better than her. You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.
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Jul 13, 2009, 04:40 PM
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 Originally Posted by ETWolverine
what she's doing now is BRILLIANT politics in terms of setting up her future.
 Originally Posted by Skell
You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.
Hello Skell:
I don't know. I guess when you drink the koolaid, even dumb people look smarter than you.
excon
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Jul 13, 2009, 07:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello Skell:
I dunno. I guess when you drink the koolaid, even dumb people look smarter than you.
excon
Come on ex, I don't drink the koolaid... but even if I'm not wholeheartedly behind the ticket it darn sure beat the alternative. You think I'm going to let you see me sweat when I know how much more the other guy is going to screw things up? I think you've already called the new guy a dufus yourself, am I right?
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Jul 13, 2009, 07:35 PM
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 Originally Posted by Skell
But let me assure you that if this women was elected to any sort of position of power than it'd be more than just funny.... People are already laughing that she got as far as she did.
You guys should be better than her. You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.
Skell, in spite of what I just told ex I know you're a smart guy too and can surely recognize the unmitigated hell she was put through. Much of her reputation is not deserved, any fair-minded person should be able to admit that.
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Jul 13, 2009, 08:40 PM
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She had it tough. No doubt. But a lot of that probably stems from the fact that she wasn't and isn't up to it.
I don't claim that everything that was said about her was fair, or even right. But the important stuff was.
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Jul 14, 2009, 04:18 AM
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She exhibited a higher degree of success as an executive than the current President has shown. Remember ;she was selected as a VP candidate ,not President . I think she would easily show equal ability at that job as the current occupant of the position... a man who had a life time appointment to public office had he chosen to remain in the Senate but was almost by consensus the dumbest man in the Senate.
The Democrats just put comic Al Franken in the Senate .I note that he barely found the mens room before they gave him a key appointment in the Judiciary committee which will decide if an affirmative action recipient (who by her own admission would not be where she is without the boost because her grades didn't cut it) is qualified for the highest court in the land . So let's not suggest that they are concerned about the qualifications of their candidates .
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Jul 14, 2009, 04:34 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
....a man who had a life time appointment to public office had he chosen to remain in the Senate but was almost by concensus the dumbest man in the Senate.
Dear sir, McCain is a hero! You should not besmirch him!
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Jul 14, 2009, 05:25 AM
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There are many people in the Senate who needs a boot ;McCain included. But this comment is not about him because in no way is he the dumbest . Now that Biden is out perhaps Harry Reid claims the mantle although he will have strong competition with Franken.
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Jul 14, 2009, 06:27 AM
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You mean the new Senator from Minnesota and newest member of the Judiciary Committee? That Franken?
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Jul 14, 2009, 06:43 AM
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No, this Palin:
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Jul 14, 2009, 06:51 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
So let's not suggest that they are concerned about the qualifications of their candidates .
Hello tom:
Yeah, them actors. They should stick to Hollyweird.
excon
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Jul 14, 2009, 07:06 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
No, this Palin:
Sarah is the dumbest person in the Senate?
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Jul 14, 2009, 07:18 AM
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Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement
Enter now Sarah Palin with very encouraging comments that lead one to believe that she is indeed planning to do what she must: build an independent conservative movement and take this nation back from the liberals which now control both parties.Thanks liberals, for provoking Sarah into the national scene while vetting that family at the same time.
Go Sarah!
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Jul 14, 2009, 07:21 AM
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And go she is, she's going on the offensive...
The 'Cap And Tax' Dead End
By Sarah Palin
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
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