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Tj3 · Jul 10, 2009, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

First, I have to stop you from accusing me of saying what I did not say. When we are clear on that, we can continue.

I quoted you - if you did not mean to say that, then please state open that you withdraw what you said or clarify what it is that you believe.

Tj3 · Jul 10, 2009, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Goodbye. Unsubscribed.

The ultimate avoidance of an answer!

N0help4u · Jul 10, 2009, 06:35 PM

Yeah she wants to keep going round and round about what she didn't say but refuses to clarify what she means so maybe it is that she doesn't even know what she believes?

classyT · Jul 10, 2009, 06:38 PM

Wow, things went sour in a hurry!

WG, sorry you left. I must admit you are confusing because you seem to be straddling the fence.

Alty, if you are still around, I believe there will be all kinds of people in heaven that we didn't expect and missing plenty that we did expect. But according to the Bible ( I have not other authority in Christianity) there will not be one person in heaven that did not arrive via the Lord Jesus Christ and his finished work.

classyT · Jul 10, 2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

The ultimate avoidance of an answer!

When in doubt I guess the answer is to walk out. I think Jakester had it right... standing up for Christianity and what Jesus said takes courage!

classyT · Jul 10, 2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by sndbay

No way no how!

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed KJV

Phl 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Sndbay,

WHOO HOO! WE agree. I knew it could happen. :p

N0help4u · Jul 10, 2009, 06:46 PM

What gets me is that people get mad that Christians believe they are the only ones that go to heaven yet on the other hand they will complain ''what do I want to go to heaven for it sounds boring''. I wonder why people who are not Christian get annoyed that they have to go through Jesus yet they reject Christ yet they dispute Christians claims about non Christians not getting to go to heaven.

What is it they want!

classyT · Jul 10, 2009, 06:51 PM

Nohelp,

What they want I think is their OWN way, what they feel comfortable with. It isn't an easy thing to accept that we are lost, wicked, sinful people that cannont stand in God's presence in that condition. It is easier to think we aren't all that bad.

N0help4u · Jul 10, 2009, 06:54 PM

Yeah the fuzzy feel good doctrine.

classyT · Jul 10, 2009, 07:04 PM

Hey, I know I get heated on this topic and I have to keep myself in check. But I remember what the Lord said in the letter to the last church in Revelation. ( he was talking to CHRISTIANS) I will paraphrase it by saying he just wanted them to be hot or cold , but lukewarm, wishy washy, fuzzy wuzzy made him want to spew out of his mouth.

I know what I believe and I don't straddle the fence. I guess it isn't real popular.

Tj3 · Jul 10, 2009, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

when in doubt i guess the answer is to walk out. I think Jakester had it right...standing up for Christianity and what Jesus said takes courage!

Yep - it seems to be fewer and fewer of us who are ready and willing to stand on what God said.

Tj3 · Jul 10, 2009, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

What gets me is that people get mad that Christians believe they are the only ones that go to heaven yet on the other hand they will complain ''what do I want to go to heaven for it sounds boring''. I wonder why people who are not Christian get annoyed that they have to go through Jesus yet they reject Christ yet they dispute Christians claims about non Christians not getting to go to heaven.

What is it they want!?

Yep, and they get mad when we simply point out what scripture says because we are saying that they are wrong in believing that there are many ways - but they think nothing of ripping apart Christianity with nothing more than their opinion.

homesell · Jul 11, 2009, 04:48 AM

Isn't it weird that "the system" lets me give greenies to anyone I choose, yet continually blocks me giving TJ3 the thumbs up? It's almost like "the system" lets their personal beliefs help keep Tom from reaching expert status that he deserves.

N0help4u · Jul 11, 2009, 05:41 AM

If it says you have to spread the rep it means that you have to give others more greenies first then you can come back and give tj the rating.

Tj3 · Jul 11, 2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by homesell

Isn't it weird that "the system" lets me give greenies to anyone I choose, yet continually blocks me giving TJ3 the thumbs up? It's almost like "the system" lets their personal beliefs help keep Tom from reaching expert status that he deserves.

Thanks!

Nohelp4u is right - I believe that you must give it to 5 other people before giving it to the same person a second time. I run into that problem all the time with certain people who keep giving good answers (Nohelp4u, ClassT and yourself are three who often give good answers where this happens).

Tbask04 · Jul 11, 2009, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by classyT

I was on a thread last nite that I was accused of hijacking...I apologize to anyone who thought so. ANYWAY, I was speaking to people who call themselves Christians and realized I wasn't even on the same page as they were. I do NOT believe that all paths lead to God and I do NOT believe that God placed his spirit in each of us. I do NOT believe that he has written his spirit on our hearts.(.i dunno what that even means? ) I can't find any scripture to even suggests such a thing. I believe the Holy Spirit indwells each believer in Jesus Christ. I don't go by what I feel, I only go by what the word of God says. We got on the subject because someone was on the Christian board looking for God and questioned what he had been taught .

I was surprised to see that someone who calls themself a Christian, advised the OP to read read read all different types of material from Hindu's, Muslims, wiccan...whatever! This was weird to me. When You have truly found the Living God through Jesus Christ our Lord....aren't you suppose to lead them to him through HIS word? In other words........ This is Jesus Christ speaking....

I am the way

I am the truth

I am the LIFE

No one comes to the Father BUT by ME! John 14:6

That is the only Christianity I KNOW. Help me out. Do you as a Christian believe other paths..(other than the Finished work of Christ)..leads to the Father?

I am a born again believer. I agree with you. The word speaks of the state of so called believers in the last days. Giving themselves over to certain doctrines that confuse and depart from the ways of God. Seducing spirits brought on by itching ears that desire a way to please their flesh instead of the Will and commandments of God. You stand firm on the Bible in which you believe. It is your faith that will keep you. It is His grace that will sustain you. It is His spirit that will guide you to the truth. And in the end it is Jesus that we will have to stand before and give an account for our beings. We all are running in the race, but you run as one who will receive the crown. The wheat must grow with the tare. The sheep with the goats. In the end He will separate those that are His. We know His voice. Do not be deceived. Man is appointed to die and then judgement. Hold on to What you know is right. He is the way the truth and the life . NO MAN GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. He is the Gate! God Bless and keep you...

sndbay · Jul 11, 2009, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Tj3

Yep - it seems to be fewer and fewer of us who are ready and willing to stand on what God said.

Yes and in reality we that know the word, and the working of salvation by God's hands here on earth. We can instead remain stedfast in HIS truth that is written. From all that God has shown in scripture, people will be permitted their choice by delusion given in the reaping of their actions and hearts. As it was shown and spoken of in verses such as (Ezek 7:26-27, Amos 8:13, Ps 74:9).

I believe more and more lies will be taught as man continues to follow man instead of following Christ. And too, some lies will be taught in HIS NAME as the book of revelation exampled in John's vision of the churches.

Repent, and hold stedfast faith in Christ as the only way. Those that are kept by God's power through their faith in Christ Jesus will see salvation. ( 1 Peter 1:5 )

N0help4u · Jul 11, 2009, 07:02 AM

Exactly man decides if he wants to accept or reject God. He thinks he can make excuses that man wrote or altered the Bible or that God accepts all people no matter what but whatever excuses he wants to make in the end he wants to blame God for his choice to reject God.
God doesn't turn us away. We decide that on our own by our beliefs and actions.

tickle · Jul 11, 2009, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by homesell

Isn't it weird that "the system" lets me give greenies to anyone I choose, yet continually blocks me giving TJ3 the thumbs up? It's almost like "the system" lets their personal beliefs help keep Tom from reaching expert status that he deserves.

The amount of greenies one has doesn't have anything to do with 'expert status'. I had expert status and chose to have it removed. And what expert status would you think he would request, homesell. All he need do is request. I think it would be a grand assumption to be called 'christianity expert'.

Tick

excon · Jul 11, 2009, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Tbask04

NO MAN GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. He is the Gate! God Bless and keep you...

Hello:

So, a nice Jewish boy like me ain't going to make it, huh? If we're so wrong, how come you worship one of us. Jesus wasn't a Christian. He was a Jew - a practising Jew. The Last Supper was a Sedar.

excon