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    Jun 4, 2009, 10:00 PM

    I believe in God and the Holy Spirit and no "christian" will ever tell me different. You don't need to believe the bible. Half of the things in the bible are made up you can thank old priest that tried to make the "perfect" community for that. I think the Christian religion separates us all. Yeah it does make women look a certain way also homosexuals I honestly think these were things that certain people at the time felt and just added it in. God loves EVERYONE. Some believe everything what they believe and are doing is 100% correct which it isn't it just spreads hatred & evil. Judgment is only for God.Once you have some sort of faith in life and you are a positive and humble person I think good things will come your way=) I hope that one day you will believe in God tho=) God will always be there for you when no one else isn't. Maybe you should look into Buddhism it teaches about inner peace and such=)
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    Jun 4, 2009, 10:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tai18 View Post
    I believe in God and the Holy Spirit and and no "christian" will ever tell me different. You dont need to believe the bible. Half of the things in the bible are made up you can thank old priest that tried to make the "perfect" community for that. I think the Christian religion separates us all. yeah it does make women look a certain way also homosexuals i honestly think these were things that certain people at the time felt and just added it in. God loves EVERYONE. Some believe everything what they believe and are doing is 100% correct which it isnt it just spreads hatred & evil. Judgment is only for God.Once you have some sort of faith in life and you are a positive and humble person i think good things will come your way=) I hope that one day you will believe in God tho=) God will always be there for you when no one else isnt. maybe you should look into Buddhism it teaches about inner peace and such=)
    You are of course welcome to believe as you wish, however just because someone believes something does not make it true.

    What is the evidence that you use as the basis for your claim that "half the things in the Bible are made up"?
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    Jun 5, 2009, 09:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tai18 View Post
    I believe in God and the Holy Spirit and and no "christian" will ever tell me different. You dont need to believe the bible. Half of the things in the bible are made up you can thank old priest that tried to make the "perfect" community for that. I think the Christian religion separates us all. yeah it does make women look a certain way also homosexuals i honestly think these were things that certain people at the time felt and just added it in. God loves EVERYONE. Some believe everything what they believe and are doing is 100% correct which it isnt it just spreads hatred & evil. Judgment is only for God.Once you have some sort of faith in life and you are a positive and humble person i think good things will come your way=) I hope that one day you will believe in God tho=) God will always be there for you when no one else isnt. maybe you should look into Buddhism it teaches about inner peace and such=)
    I am also looking for the sections which are made up in the Bible. I would appreciate when you point those stories, parables, sermons, speeches etc out which are concocted.

    I very firmly believe that the Bible is the Word of God and HE asked the specific humans to tell about HIM to others. And that's a fact.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:06 AM
    Tai18,
    You've mentioned a couple of times in different posts that you believe in God and the Holy Spirit and then say that if you're sincere, have faith and are humble you'll be all right.

    The devil and his demons believe in God.
    That doesn't do it. "Acting like" a Christian doesn't do it either. Trusting in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ to cover your sins and being filled with the Spirit of the Living God... that will do it. I haven't read a post of yours that even mentions Jesus except that you use the word christian and say we don't have to believe the Bible. When you say, I think this or I think that, what foundation are you basing it on? I'm not knocking you, I said the same things at one time so I certainly understand. It's good to question.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 01:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by homesell View Post
    Tai18,
    You've mentioned a couple of times in different posts that you believe in God and the Holy Spirit and then say that if you're sincere, have faith and are humble you'll be all right. The devil and his demons believe in God.
    That doesn't do it. "Acting like" a Christian doesn't do it either. Trusting in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ to cover your sins and being filled with the Spirit of the Living God... that will do it. I haven't read a post of yours that even mentions Jesus except that you use the word christian and say we don't have to believe the Bible. When you say, I think this or I think that, what foundation are you basing it on? I'm not knocking you, I said the exact same things at one time so I certainly understand. It's good to question.
    No one is speaking of "The devil and his demons believe in God". Let me guess because I don't mention Jesus that means I don't believe in him or God right?This is what I mean by turning things around based on your own views. You don't have to believe in the bible to believe in God that is MY opinion. That is like saying if you don't believe in 2 verses in the bible you automatically don't believe in God.If all these people that preach the bible lived by it 100% they would be walking around with one arm. No one will ever in life make me say that I don't believe in God.Some people have a outlook that if you aren't Catholic/Christian then you are down the wrong path the catholic way is the right way. I feel like the right path is having God in your life not when something goes wrong I mean daily, not braking any of the 10 commandments. I also believe spiritually you need inner peace and humbleness to be guided down your right path in life. The bible is being used as a evil tool people are teaching it based on their selfish views of what people believe is perfect which causes hate instead of love and separates us. For instance in school they tell us "Being overweight is a "SIN" because you "love Food more then you love God" Watching television is a "SIN" because you are not paying attention to God, Downloading music is a "SIN",Rubbish they even have the nerve to say "wearing the rosary around your neck is a "SIN" because it is not "jewelery" last time I checked people wear the rosary as devotion to Christ, Protection and their Faith in God. This is just my opinion as I have said. I don't like the fact that people are separated by their religion having to go to different schools and such . I feel that instead of preaching everyone should just try to respect everyone on personal views and not force anything on them. Also if you are going to preach, preach to people that need it like rapist & murderers that are locked up. My opinion as I have said numerous of times.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 01:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Triund View Post
    I am also looking for the sections which are made up in the Bible. I would appreciate when you point those stories, parables, sermons, speeches etc out which are concocted.

    I very firmly believe that the Bible is the Word of God and HE asked the specific humans to tell about HIM to others. And that's a fact.
    And that is YOUR opinion everyone has their own and no one will force theirs on me. God loves EVERYONE.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 01:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    You are of course welcome to believe as you wish, however just because someone believes something does not make it true.

    What is the evidence that you use as the basis for your claim that "half the things in the Bible are made up"?
    Believing in God isn't true? That's YOUR opinion. Exactly EVERYONE has their own views as I have said numerous of times this is MY OPINION.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 01:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tai18 View Post
    Believing in God isn't true?
    Let's not start twisting people's words around. You know that I never said anything remotely close to that.


    EVERYONE has their own views as I have said numerous of times this is MY OPINION.
    Not all opinions are equally true. For example, there are people who hold the opinion that the earth is flat while we know that it is round. So despite holding that opinion that the earth is flat, they are wrong. We can respect their right to hold that opinion, but it makes them no less wrong.

    That is also true with respect to our faith. We can have faith in all sorts of things, different god's, different gospels, etc, but not all are equally valid and if, as they say, we put our bet on the "wrong horse", having sincerely believed the wrong thing won't do us any good. So it is important to have investigated our beliefs and to be certain of the faith that we are depending upon for our eternity.

    Thus the reason for my question.

    My faith is not a blind faith.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 02:05 PM

    tai18,
    I'm just trying to understand what the foundation is for the beliefs you have.
    I'm sure you have your reasons for not believing the bible, I was just curious what they are. While about 95% of the american population believes in God, very, very few believe the bible is 100% true, so there are numerous people that believe as you do. Sorry if I sounded preachy because if being a hypocrite in your eyes is anyone that claims to follow the Bible and then fails to do so 100%, I certainly am one. As is everyone else.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 02:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Let's not start twisting people's words around. You know that I never said anything remotely close to that.




    Not all opinions are equally true. For example, there are people who hold the opinion that the earth is flat while we know that it is round. So despite holding that opinion that the earth is flat, they are wrong. We can respect their right to hold that opinion, but it makes them no less wrong.


    That is also true with respect to our faith. We can have faith in all sorts of things, different god's, different gospels, etc, but not all are equally valid and if, as they say, we put our bet on the "wrong horse", having sincerely believed the wrong thing won't do us any good. So it is important to have investigated our beliefs and to be certain of the faith that we are depending upon for our eternity.

    Thus the reason for my question.

    My faith is not a blind faith.


    "blind faith"That's like saying since you have not seen God there is no proof he exists I have FAITH that he does."wrong horse" ? If that is your own opinion, I am not the one to judge and say that someone's religion is wrong. I will leave the judging to GOD. Nothing is wrong with having your own views at the same time you can respect all religions I think forcing your own on people is not right.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 02:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tai18 View Post
    "blind faith"Thats like saying since you have not seen God there is no proof he exists i have FAITH that he does.
    I not only have faith that He exists - I know that He exists because there is evidence of not just His existence, but evidence of the truth of the Bible as the word of God.

    People can have faith that they are right and that their opinion is right and others are wrong, but unless there is a basis in substance for believing that, it is a blind faith. I do not need to rely upon a blind faith to accept Jesus as the Messiah, nor to accept the Biblical gospel as true, because the evidence is substantial, and I have a reason for why I believe as I do. My faith is a rational faith, not a blind faith.

    A blind faith can be wrong, just as those who believe in a flat earth have a blind faith that they are right, yet they remain wrong. Having a blind faith in a gospel which cannot atone for our sins, and which does lead us into a right relationship with God will lead us away from God. It is therefore important that we know what the true faith is.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 02:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    I not only have faith that He exists - I know that He exists because there is evidence of not just His existence, but evidence of the truth of the Bible as the word of God.

    People can have faith that they are right and that their opinion is right and others are wrong, but unless there is a basis in substance for believing that, it is a blind faith. I do not need to rely upon a blind faith to accept Jesus as the Messiah, nor to accept the Biblical gospel as true, because the evidence is substantial, and I have a reason for why I believe as I do. My faith is a rational faith, not a blind faith.

    A blind faith can be wrong, just as those who believe in a flat earth have a blind faith that they are right, yet they remain wrong. Having a blind faith in a gospel which cannot atone for our sins, and which does lead us into a right relationship with God will lead us away from God. It is therefore important that we know what the true faith is.
    The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. To a Atheist since it cannot be proved that is the most common reason for their doubt. To me my "blind faith" in believing God and the Holy Spirit is NOT wrong even if I have not seen them.I respect everyone views and will not tell them anything ignorant such as they have "blind faith".
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    Jun 5, 2009, 02:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tai18 View Post
    The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.
    Really? And upon what do you base that conclusion.

    To a Atheist since it cannot be proved that is the most common reason for their doubt.
    Whether a person (i.e. an atheist) will accept the evidence is not the basis for stating that it cannot be proved unless you are goping to try to convince me that an Atheist is the judge of whether there is adequate evidence for the existence of God. I would submit to you that picking any atheist as being your objective judge is not a valid approach.

    To me my "blind faith" in believing God and the Holy Spirit is NOT wrong even if I have not seen them.I respect everyone views and will not tell them anything ignorant such as they have "blind faith".
    So, if you won't believe in that which you do not see, then you would be unable to believe in air or electricity either.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 02:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Really? And upon what do you base that conclusion.



    Whether a person (i.e. an atheist) will accept the evidence is not the basis for stating that it cannot be proved unless you are goping to try to convince me that an Atheist is the judge of whether or not there is adequate evidence for the existence of God. I would submit to you that picking any atheist as being your objective judge is not a valid approach.



    So, if you won't believe in that which you do not see, then you would be unable to believe in air or electricity either.
    Huh? I'm saying I believe in God and the holy spirit even though I CANNOT see them. I guess since you can't see them it is "blind faith" in your words. As I have said numerous of times this is my opinion this puts a end to our conversation since everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There are different religions and they are all respected by me even if they are "blind faith" ones faith gives people a will and something to believe in life me jumping on someone and telling them "your religion or views is wrong and the wrong way of life!" would be ignorant. Because you don't agree that does not mean you can't Respect.Since you love to preach you should use your time wisely and preach to murderers and rapist that need it make sure you are living by the bible 100% before you do. Have a nice day.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 05:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tai18 View Post
    huh? I'm saying I believe in God and the holy spirit even though I CANNOT see them. I guess since you can't see them it is "blind faith" in your words.
    Like I said, please have the simple respect not to twist or put words in my mouth. I in fact said the exact opposite to what you are claiming.

    My reference to blind faith is that if you have no evidence for what you believe to demonstrate that it is in fact true, that si blind faith. I can believe that there are 3 foot high men on the moon, but if I am just making it up because that is what I want to believe, that is a blind faith.

    If, however, I have evidence of the truth of God's existence (something that you say does not exist), then my faith is a rational faith, not a blind faith.I can in fact have evidence of that which is not seen.

    As I have said numerous of times this is my opinion this puts a end to our conversation since everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that does not make all opinions equally right, nor does it mean that any discussion or examination of the opinions must be shut down. Have the right to hold an opinion does not remove the rights of others to hold and express differing opinions.

    Further, where evidence exists for one faith, and not for another, then clearly we are not speaking of equally validated beliefs either.
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    Jun 13, 2009, 09:11 PM
    Honestly, I wish I could tell you more. I am a young christian, and not well experienced. But what I can tell you, is pray to God, and ask him for light and direction. He will honestly help you. He loves you, but he never promised every answer to questions. Just hang on to what you do understand
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    Jan 5, 2010, 12:10 AM

    Goodness what a great deal of questions. I do believe that these questions are just for you to start an argument and there are far too many to bother spending much time on each one and I cannot tell you what religion teaches but I will tell you what the Bible says and what I think of subjects that are not in the Bible.


    1) Your idea of good and evil is clearly different to what is in the Bible; so I suppose the answer is you do not have to believe him.

    2) Your interpretation of the Bible is clearly lacking. Anyone can be a Jew and we are to love our enemies and even die rather than harm any human from any race.

    3) If you think that God discriminates against women than you do not have to follow him; no one is making you. If you feel that woman being in subjection to man is wrong, then so be it, that is your choice.

    4) Do you work for a living? Do you support your family? Then like it or not you are a slave. You need to find out what the English language means.

    5) If you consider children without fathers to be good, marriage break ups good, people caught in relationships they do not want because their emotions ran away with them to be good, husbands killing wives for having sex with others and women killing husbands for having sex with others to be all good, then I would have to agree with you. Bring on free sex I say.

    We are all In favour of free sex until it bites us on the and then we want to kill those that hurt us.

    6) Well you must be right then; if it has not come yet I suppose it is not going to happen. Maybe if you read the Bible to find the signs to look for, you would not be so ignorant.

    7) This is probably the best question on this post. I will get back to you on it if you are truly interested in the answer.

    8) Jesus has many titles and he is a prince and he will bring about peace as your question 6 is part of.

    9) Another good question. I was not there and so do not know the exact circumstances. Suffice to say the gang of boys were too far gone. You also have no understanding of what death is and what happens to them later and what happens concerning your question 6 and what happens when God destroys the world and what that gang of boys will be doing then.

    I bet you would also complain about God NOT taking action on gangs of boys these days because he is letting them wait their judgement to a later date. “Why does God permit suffering?” I bet you would complain.

    10) You seem to have a strange idea of prostitution. It s in the Bible because it happened back then too. Lot wanted to shock the crowd into realising how disgusting they were. He knew none of the men in the crowd were interested in women and his daughters would not be taken by them, he was clearly pointing out to them how wrong they were behaving.

    11) What has a fig tree got to do with Jesus being perfect?

    12) You do not understand the term eunuch; this does not mean to castrate. Can one be castrated in the womb? Of course not. If you remain celebate you are a eunuch.

    13) Yes public prayer should be discouraged. You are arguing a religious topic, not a biblical one.

    14) Haha you are funny; you must be right. You need to get out more.

    15) Did Adam and Eve die? So who told the truth? Did they knew good and evil or did they choose what they thought was good and evil? That is part of the problem with your questions, you are placing your idea of good and evil onto something you do not know. Just because YOU choose what is good and evil does not mean it is. And a thousand years is but a day.

    16) Many writers quoted from Isaiah’s writings and prophecies, even in the new testament.

    17) I find it interesting that you know if anyone would have admitted something 2000 years ago, your perception is amazing; you must be righ then I suppose eh? If it was so transparent, why would the other gospels mention it? You are really clutching at straws now.

    18) You are once again confusing religion with the Bible. Either discuss religious teachings or discuss the God of the Bible.

    19) Mary was NOT the offspring of David? How interesting; you really need to study the bible some more, try looking in Luke

    20) Once again you are arguing about something you know nothing about. Everyone can now be a Jew, there is no difference.

    21) You really need to read the scripture you are quoting; Israel is the name of a man. Please; this is really very tedious, it would be nice if you checked what you have copied from other sites.

    22) Out of all your mistakes this one may seem to be legitimate but the Hebrew word Sprout was a word used for Nazareth and that is why Matthew said the prophecy was fulfilled because of what Isaiah wrote at 11:1

    23) And with the knowledge you have shown us so far, I’m sure we can trust you. Your love of free sex as you mentioned earlier may blind you to the pont that a young woman may well have been expected to be a virgin back then.

    24) “seems to say”? Well at least you are putting some truth in this one.

    25) You have no idea what tempted means. My wife may tempt me to go to town and buy a loaf of bread, that does not mean I am at all, in any way interested in the idea.

    26) This is simply your idea of what it means, and by your track record, we cannot hold much stock in that now can we.

    27) The Old Testament is a part of history. And it is yuour idea of right and wrong that you have a problem with.

    28) You are once again asking a religious question and referring it to the Bible. You are trying to squeeze the trinity into the Bible.

    If that is one third of your questions, you had better study the questions you are copying from other people before you ask the rest of them if you want to be taken seriously.

    I hope you find a religion that suits you because you are clearly not interested in finding out what the Bible says, you are more interested in what other peole say.
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    Jan 5, 2010, 01:14 AM

    Carthonas,
    Reading the bible is one thing, but studying it is a far different thing.
    To study the bible well one must be well aware of the times and culture of when it was written and of the situation and who and why the authors wrote it.
    With that as a good foundation then the study of Holy Scripture becomes much more enlightening.
    An open mind is also of great aid for it ignores preconceived notions which can and will steer a person thoughts into a muddy rut where you are either stuck or just zealously spinning you wheels.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred

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