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    Jun 2, 2009, 10:21 AM
    F1 to H1B - First day of residency ?
    Hi AtlantaTaxExpert!

    By reading so many of your posts, I have finally decided to file as resident with first-year choice. I am from India if that matters in this.

    Here is my case :
    Year 2008 :
    Entered USA on January 7 on F1 Visa after vacation and never left USA till today.
    August 31 - Graduated
    October 6 - H1B begins
    December 31 - 87days in USA = 1/3 x 87 = 29 days

    Year 2009 :
    Never left USA so far
    No. of days in 2009 = 155 (so far)

    Substantial Present Test passed = 184 Days

    QUESTION :
    From when should I count my first 31 days ?
    1. From January 7, 2008
    2. OR From October 6, 2008

    And, when did my residency begun on, jan 7 or Oct 6 ?

    Adnan
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    Jun 2, 2009, 01:01 PM

    If you are not married, you can only file nonresident tax return Form 1040NR or 1040NR-EZ.
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    Jun 2, 2009, 01:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MukatA View Post
    If you are not married, you can only file nonresident tax return Form 1040NR or 1040NR-EZ.
    Does First year choice has this clause that it can be used only by married couples.

    Here is Pub 519 (2008)

    First-Year Choice
    If you do not meet either the green card test or the substantial presence test for 2007 or 2008 and you did not choose to be treated as a resident for part of 2007, but you meet the substantial presence test for 2009, you can choose to be treated as a U.S. resident for part of 2008. To make this choice, you must:

    1. Be present in the United States for at least 31 days in a row in 2008, and
    2. Be present in the United States for at least 75% of the number of days beginning with the first day of the 31-day period and ending with the last day of 2008. For purposes of this 75% requirement, you can treat up to 5 days of absence from the United States as days of presence in the United States.

    Note.
    You do not have to be married to make this choice.


    Sorry, but I have read a lot on this topic and I think you have the wrong information.

    Adnan
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    Jun 3, 2009, 08:26 AM
    Adnan:

    First Year Choice, as cited by you, is to file a dual-status return, not to file as a resident alien.

    To use the resident alien portion of First Year Choice, you MUST be married.

    Sorry!
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    Jun 3, 2009, 08:44 AM
    Hi!

    Thank you so much for replying.

    Yes, I want to file as dual-status return. Considering that I was on F1 till August and then H1 from October 6, am I not eligible to file as Dual Status ?

    I saw that you advised the same thing to many others, or did I misunderstood ?

    In short, can you please read my complete situation from 1st post and tell me if I can file as Dual-Status or not.

    If yes, do I need to file both 1040 and 1040NR?. or only 1040 ?

    Also, what does this mean : but you meet the substantial presence test for 2009, you can choose to be treated as a U.S. resident for part of 2008.

    I do meet all these conditions for First Year choice, isn't it ?

    Now I am totally confused :confused:

    Thanks
    Adnan
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    Jun 3, 2009, 09:55 AM

    Hi again!

    I am so sorry, now I got your point. I am NOT married and so I cannot file as resident.

    And I can file as Dual Status but that is lot of work I suppose, is it? Because I think I only have to file 1040 as I was resident on Dec 31st. But is it true that if I file as Dual Status I cannot use Standard Deduction that is generally available to Students from India.

    The only deduction I wanted to do was my fees that I paid in 2008.

    What do you guys suggest?. should I file 1040NR or file 1040. Because I have already passed substantial presence for 2009 anyway. So I guess its my choice, is it?

    Thank you so much for your help.

    Adnan
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    Jun 4, 2009, 01:17 PM
    Do the tax calculations both ways to see if you pay less tax filing dual-status.

    It has been my experience that, in 95% of all cases, there is NO DIFFERENCE between filing dual-status or filing non-resident alien.

    If so, file non-resident alien; it's easier!
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    Jun 4, 2009, 01:21 PM

    Hi!

    You are perfectly right that there is no difference. I tried that yesterday and confirmed it.

    I am happy that we have people like you around to help.

    I have been filing my own taxes for 3 yrs and also help my friends in it. So I am quite familiar with the process. But I don't know how I missed that Married clause.

    What I learnt is, never ever miss a single word while readina a publication from IRS :-)

    Thank you
    Adnan

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