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tilo · May 23, 2009, 09:15 AM

I agree that the Bible is the only and true word of God, but it matters who teaches you about the words of God, do you know that the devil knows by heart each word from the Bible, he knows It much better than any priest, if we let him to explain the Bible we will be sure that we follow the God's words but we surely will come to him at the end.

NeedKarma · May 23, 2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by tilo

... do you know that the devil knows by heart each word from the Bible, he knows It much better than any priest...

How do you know this fact?

BMI · May 23, 2009, 09:21 AM

If he beleive's religious teachings and that the devil does exist than it would be easy to take as fact no?

I mean you figure the Devil's got to know a little about what pisses the big guy off.

NeedKarma · May 23, 2009, 09:27 AM

But word for word (many translations and interpretations)?
Better than a priest?

tilo · May 23, 2009, 09:37 AM

NeedKarma I know almost all about the devil, we should know our enemies well enough in order to know how to fight with them, I also know that we won't be able to defeat him by ourselves.

NeedKarma · May 23, 2009, 09:42 AM

How do you know all about the devil?

Alty · May 23, 2009, 09:55 AM

Personally, I don't believe in relgion, but I do believe in God.

I don't need to belong to a group in order to have faith.

Everyone thinks their path is the right path. There are so many different religions, why does one have to be the "true" religion? Maybe all of them are right. Heck, maybe none of them are. :)

tilo · May 23, 2009, 10:04 AM

Altenweg the fact is that we all die and it doen't matter if you believe or not, your death is not the end it is only the beginning of eternity, and it matters where you will you spend your eternity.

Alty · May 23, 2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by tilo

Altenweg the fact is that we all die and it doen't matter if you belive or not, your death is not the end it is only the begining of eternity, and it matters where you will you spend your eternity.

But that's your belief, not fact.

Yes, we all die, true, no getting around that, but eternal life? That's not something everyone believes in. It's a nice dream, but fact?

What if you die and just rot in the ground for all eternity? That's another possibility.

tilo · May 23, 2009, 10:19 AM

Altenweg if you believe that after the death you will just rotin the groung than I'm afraid that it will be so for you, Jesus said that everyone who believes won't ever die, I know you will say 'that's your belief, not fact' but He proved that He is stronger than the death, He defeated the death.

Alty · May 23, 2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by tilo

Altenweg if you belive that after the death you will just rotin the groung than I'm afraid that it will be so for you, Jesus said that everyone who belives won't ever die, I know you will say 'that's your belief, not fact' but He proved that He is stronger than the death, He defeated the death.

Again, that's what you believe, mainly because you believe in the bible.

I believe in God, I don't believe in the bible. The bible was man written and is man interpreted. In fact, there are so many different interpretations of the same bible that no one can truly know what it says.

Why do you think there are so many different religions? It's because everyone reads things differently, interprets things differently, understands things differently.

If the bible is truly the "word of God" then there should be no room for interpretation, it should be as clear as day. The reason it's not is because it's man written, and men are fallible.

Of course that's just my belief, one I have as much right to as you do yours.

You asked a very simple question, but I don't think you were really looking for answers, just a podium on which to stand and preach your beliefs.

Like I said before, this site is world wide, you'll get people from all walks of life with many different beliefs. We have Wiccans, Catholics, Lutherans, Atheists, Jews, the list goes on. All of these people believe they are following the right path just as much as you believe that you are.

No one has the right to say "my way is the only way, the right way" because no one has proof that it is. If there was proof then we'd be fools to question it, wouldn't we?

mugger · May 23, 2009, 10:44 AM

If anybody here has the same belief as someone else then it is false. Everyone has a different view, otherwise we would all be robots.
... but that's just my opinion. Lol

Alty · May 23, 2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by mugger

If anybody here has the exact same belief as someone else then it is false. everyone has a different view, otherwise we would all be robots.
...but that's just my opinion. lol

Or sheep.

Just saying. ;)

spiritcharms · May 23, 2009, 11:57 AM

This is exactly why I didn't respond again in this thread as I realised that Tilo was trying to preach! What is the point? Huh, I was just answering the orignal question. No wonder I got confused along the way! (and yes I'm going to repeat exactly what I've just said in the other thread now.)

I respect people having their own beliefs and opinions and strong faith in what they believe, but what I don't respect is for those to not have the same respect and understanding in return.

And wel said Altenweg, I agree with all your statements on this thread. :) and some of the other members too.

tilo · May 24, 2009, 01:55 AM

spiritcharms if you know from history people never liked those who aren't the same as they are, first they "killed" Jesus, they buned out Jan Hus, they burned out Ioana d'Arc, they burned out Giordano Bruno and I have many other examples, and the main resons for wars were the differnces between religions, confessions.

lighterrr · May 24, 2009, 02:43 AM

Although you had ulterior motives for asking this question, because you just wanted to preach about your religion it's OK, because you have asked and proved my point all at the same time. Religion is the problem; most members of organized religion will always look for ways that makes their religion appear more superior to others.

Yet all organized religion claim they are devout believers and followers of God. Which makes me think what if we all just believed in GOD period? What if we as human beings recognized the existence of 1 Devine creator? The problem in my opinion is that religion is the great divide and it actually brings us further away from God, because we put up barriers to our fellow man that does not share the same religious beliefs.

My opinion religion is wrong on ALL levels, everything that we need to receive the light of the creator is already within us, it's not found in our beliefs for Jesus, Mohammed etc. We are all God's in our own right. So you ask is there a correct religion and I say NO all religion is wrong.

Spiritually and believing in God and trying to draw close to him by submitting mind, body, soul and a clear contrite heart is what brings us closer to our creator and that's what this life is about, getting closer to GOD.

spiritcharms · May 24, 2009, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by tilo

spiritcharms if you know from history poeple never liked those who aren't the same as they are, first they "killed" Jesus, they buned out Jan Hus, they burned out Ioana d'Arc, they burned out Giordano Bruno and I have many other examples, and the main resons for wars were the differnces between religions, confessions.

And your point is what? :o

boltogr · May 24, 2009, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by 450donn

And yet NK Hebrews 10:25 clearly states that we are not to forsake the fellowship of other believers.
"Not forsaking our own assembling together as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near"

Well, actually Matthew 18:20 states "Where ever two people are gathered in my name, I am in the midst of them," meaning that it is a church. Therefore, your church, your "fellowship of believers" can consist of you and your best friend or you and your mother, etc. As long as you don't refuse to talk about God (only in context with these two verses), your fine by that.

But what I really wanted to say is that the answer is: No religion is the best. Religion is not the same as faith, and faith is what counts. Also, the bible was written by men after Jesus died and the Catholic church decided long ago what books would go into the Bible and which ones wouldn't. In fact there are stories about Jesus' life that were taken out of the Holy Bible but still exist in the Koran and Torah; they weren't good enough for the Christian Bible.

As far as church or no church: the church and religion are merely conduits through which people explore their faith or lack thereof.

I think that the answer is in all of us, but it can only be answered by ourselves. No religion will spell out what you truly believe, even if you believe in the Bible word for word. There are a lot of contradictions throughout (after all, there are TWO creation stories in Genesis).

Personally, I consider myself a Christian but to me that means following Christ's example. As corny as it sounds WWJD to some extent. Also, Christ's example changes from story teller to story teller. I don't have to go to church to be right in his eye; don't have to be orthodox in your beliefs.

What you believe is between you and the universe or you and God.

boltogr · May 24, 2009, 05:15 AM

Oh, one last thing... I don't even think that religion or faith are necessary for being a good person or a Christianly person. I don't think it is necessary.

DoulaLC · May 24, 2009, 05:18 AM

As was said, most people will say what they happen to believe is the right one. Of course that might be very different if they had been born into a different family in a different country. There are exceptions, but most people probably believe what they do because that was how they were raised, that was what they were indoctrinated into.

Consider this... would someone of a different religion be able to convince you that your beliefs are wrong and their's is the true religion? Likely not... so why would you think they would change their beliefs to match your own just because that is what you believe to be the truth? No doubt they feel just as strongly about their faith as you do about yours.