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    May 19, 2009, 06:56 AM
    The Obadufus
    Hello Righty's:

    I don't know what you're so unhappy about. You've won. Obama is turning into Bush.

    With only a couple of minor exceptions, Obama has embraced ALL of the Bush/Cheney terrorism policies. The few changes that have any substance to them (banning the already-empty CIA black sites and prohibiting no-longer-authorized torture techniques) are far less substantial than you think.

    He has revived the Military Tribunals.. He will NOT close Gitmo. He has ramped up the "targeted killings" in Pakistan and Afghanistan which, has caused more collateral damage to innocent civilians. He has maintained Bush's rendition policy. He has kept Bush's domestic surveillance policies in place and unchanged.

    He sucks.

    excon
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    May 19, 2009, 07:50 AM

    Oh dear ex

    And he has only just begun just wait and see within the next 6 yrs he IS going to top Bush
    At being the worst President
    Wait until you see what he does with health care and the fuel and the smart grid and all.
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    May 19, 2009, 08:01 AM

    Yeah I'm pretty pissed about that. Hell I was pissed before the election because of his support of FISA. But hey he is going to make cars get 35.5 MPG by 2016 (even though my car right now is getting 51.4 mpg so... ) We need to figure out how to get Ron Paul over the hump he is still my first choice.
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    May 19, 2009, 08:10 AM

    He has made no major breaks in foreign policy beyond rhetoric. But he has added some Neville Chamberlain style panache.
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    May 19, 2009, 08:14 AM

    The honeymoon is over?
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    May 19, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The honeymoon is over?
    In a nutshell that sums it up perfect! :D
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    May 19, 2009, 08:20 AM

    Na speech I knew this was going to happen. I even gave Bush 2 years before I gave up on him.
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    May 19, 2009, 08:32 AM
    "As a tool for understanding the thinking of Obama, [Saul] Alinsky's most famous book, Rules for Radicals, is simultaneously edifying and worrisome. Some passages make Machiavelli's Prince read like a Sesame Street picture book on manners. After Obama took office, the pundit class found itself debating the ideology and sensibility of the new president -- an indication of how scarcely the media had bothered to examine him beforehand. But after 100 days, few observers can say that Obama hasn't surprised them with at least one call.. .

    Obama is a pragmatist, but a pragmatist as understood by Alinsky: One who applies pragmatism to achieving and keeping power.. .

    Moderates thought they were electing a moderate; liberals thought they were electing a liberal. Both camps were wrong. Ideology does not have the final say in Obama's decision-making; an Alinskyite's core principle is to take any action that expands his power and to avoid any action that risks his power. As conservatives size up their new foe, they ought to remember: It's not about liberalism. It's about power. Obama will jettison anything that costs him power, and do anything that enhances it... It's not about the policies or the politics, and it's certainly not about the principles. It's about power, and it has been for a long time."
    The Alinsky Administration by Jim Geraghty on National Review Online

    My only disagreement with above is that I still think his core beliefs are radical socialist .
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    May 19, 2009, 09:25 AM
    More promises broken...

    Barack Obama 'breaks four aid pledges for Africa'

    ... only this time he didn't follow Bush's lead African aid. I can't wait to hear the fallout from the African-American community. Nah, it won't happen.
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    #10

    May 19, 2009, 09:33 AM

    Can't wait to here Bono about that .
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    May 19, 2009, 09:41 AM

    Interesting . Obama is scheduled to visit Ghana next month. I wonder how he will be received ?
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    May 19, 2009, 09:52 AM

    He will NOT close Gitmo
    Nor will the Dems fund it's closing
    AP Source: Democrats won't fund Guantanamo closing
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    #13

    May 19, 2009, 09:54 AM

    Yeah all talk. I warned them it was all talk about ending the war and the prison camps.
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    May 19, 2009, 10:26 AM

    Hello again,

    He's a disappointment... But, I'm a realist. No politician is going to fit my needs entirely. They ALL lie!

    He's still head and shoulders above the original dufus - or not.

    excon
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    May 19, 2009, 10:56 AM

    Intelligent voters knew he was just a Politician. But like I said I gave G DUB 2 years probably a little longer then 2 years because I was all about fox news after 9/11 (then I came to my senses).
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    May 19, 2009, 02:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    "As a tool for understanding the thinking of Obama, [Saul] Alinsky's most famous book, Rules for Radicals, is simultaneously edifying and worrisome. Some passages make Machiavelli's Prince read like a Sesame Street picture book on manners. After Obama took office, the pundit class found itself debating the ideology and sensibility of the new president -- an indication of how scarcely the media had bothered to examine him beforehand. But after 100 days, few observers can say that Obama hasn't surprised them with at least one call. ...

    Obama is a pragmatist, but a pragmatist as understood by Alinsky: One who applies pragmatism to achieving and keeping power. ...

    Moderates thought they were electing a moderate; liberals thought they were electing a liberal. Both camps were wrong. Ideology does not have the final say in Obama's decision-making; an Alinskyite's core principle is to take any action that expands his power and to avoid any action that risks his power. As conservatives size up their new foe, they ought to remember: It's not about liberalism. It's about power. Obama will jettison anything that costs him power, and do anything that enhances it.... It's not about the policies or the politics, and it's certainly not about the principles. It's about power, and it has been for a long time."
    The Alinsky Administration by Jim Geraghty on National Review Online

    My only disagreement with above is that I still think his core beliefs are radical socialist .


    That is the thing, what are Obama's core belief's?

    If he said he would withdraw all troops from Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow, like he said he would on the campaign trail, I would be the first to applaud him.

    If he just wants power or to be popular - and that is his only goal - well that is something to fearful of.





    G&P
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    May 19, 2009, 02:46 PM
    I've been saying that for Democrats it was all about power all along. They won congress in 2006 on a trojan horse campaign of promise, promises, trotting out blue dog Democrats and muzzling others until after the election. As soon as they gained power everything was out the window and they immediately moved to investigations and smear campaigns in preparation for this last election. Now that Obama is in office they finally have someone who understands the power game and plays it well.

    Jim Geraghty pretty well nails it.

    Moderates thought they were electing a moderate; liberals thought they were electing a liberal. Both camps were wrong. Ideology does not have the final say in Obama’s decision-making; an Alinskyite’s core principle is to take any action that expands his power and to avoid any action that risks his power.

    As conservatives size up their new foe, they ought to remember: It’s not about liberalism. It’s about power. Obama will jettison anything that costs him power, and do anything that enhances it — including invite Rick Warren to give the benediction at his inauguration, dine with conservative columnists, and dismiss an appointee at the White House Military Office to ensure the perception of accountability.
    The rest of the column is worth a read.
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    May 19, 2009, 02:51 PM

    Hello apologists:

    Look. It AIN'T about one party being better than the other one. ALL politicians want power. The ones on the right aren't holier than thou, and you don't do yourself any favors by suggesting it, either.

    excon
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    May 19, 2009, 02:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello apologists:

    Look. It AIN'T about one party being better than the other one. ALL politicians want power. The ones on the right aren't holier than thou, and you don't do yourself any favors by suggesting it, either.
    Yes they do, but Democrats want absolute power over everything and everyone.
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    #20

    May 19, 2009, 03:00 PM

    Poor Ex. He beat the drum for Obama, and now is getting indigestion from that 'Bama Kool Aid.

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