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Alty · May 13, 2009, 08:20 PM

Watch the video.

YouTube - STILL Think Waterboarding Isn't Torture? Try it Bush

Still think it isn't torture?

cozyk · May 15, 2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

How did you do that thumbs up thing?

cozyk · May 15, 2009, 11:37 AM

I want to hear from the defenders of waterboarding. How they can justify that this is OK?

Nevermind, I ask this way before I read other post. So sorry.

cozyk · May 15, 2009, 12:01 PM

[QUOTE=galveston;1719852]Your reply is kind of what I expected.

What they give a pass for to their guys, they will demonize their opposition for, including all manner of vile and profane innuendos and will even manufacture stories if none are available.

Tell me a purely manufactured story please.

cozyk · May 15, 2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

WG,

And just sos ya know.....WG...wWOULDjd....and wWILLjd..gonna be two different things in his Kingdom.

You lost me here. What will Jesus do in his kingdom?:confused:

cozyk · May 15, 2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

Just jumping in for a minute.

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Long term effects of waterboarding are panic attacks, depression and PTSD. Also there is a large possibility of death, damage to the lungs, broken bones from fighting against restraints.

If that's not torture, I don't want to know what is.

For those of you that think it's okay, that it isn't torture, well then, volunteer to have it done to you, not just a wussy attempt either, but a full on, no choice, interrogation, using this method. If you can look us in the face afterwards and say it isn't torture then I'll let it drop, until then, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Can't give you a greenie so I'll just say, Amen sista!:D

classyT · May 16, 2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by cozyk

You lost me here. What will Jesus do in his kingdom?:confused:

Cozyk,

The Lord Jesus came to the earth as a Lamb... he is coming back as a Lion and it ain't going to be good for the antichrist and his followers. He won't have to do more than speak and they will die. THEN during the 1000 year reign... The Bible says EVERY morning there will be judgement. Remember during that time there will be no hunger, wars or disasters... 1000 years of peace on earth , plenty of food, no sickness.( yes, people can live for 1000 years IF they abide by the Lord)... PLUS satan will be bound in the bottomless pit... ( therefore the devil DIDN'T make them do it) so there will be no reason to commit crimes. IF someone should outwardly commit sin during this period.. lets just say, they don't get to live to see the next morning.

Wondergirl · May 16, 2009, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Cozyk,

The Lord Jesus came to the earth as a Lamb...he is coming back as a Lion and it ain't gonna be good for the antichrist and his followers. He won't have to do more than speak and they will die. THEN during the 1000 year reign... The Bible says EVERY morning there will be judgement. remember during that time there will be no hunger, wars or disasters....1000 years of peace on earth , plenty of food, no sickness.( yes, people can live for 1000 years IF they abide by the Lord)...PLUS satan will be bound in the bottomless pit...( therefore the devil DIDN"T make them do it) so there will be no reason to commit crimes. IF someone should outwardly commit sin during this period..lets just say, they don't get to live to see the next morning.

Of course, Cozyk, keep in mind, that is an interpretation by only a small fraction of Christians.

classyT · May 16, 2009, 07:36 PM

WG.

I wouldn't call it SMALL that is YOUR "interpretation". I have NO idea what your take is on the 1000 year reign but I have read your posts that say the book of revelation has already happened... I would say THAT thought is held by a small fraction of Christians.

Cozyk,

I by NO means think I have the market on Christianity... I personally DO believe it is what the Bible teaches.

Wondergirl · May 16, 2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

I wouldn't call it SMALL that is YOUR "interpretation".

Do you have any stats for us?

Wondergirl · May 16, 2009, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

i would say THAT thought is held by a small fraction of Christians.

Not true. Check the stats for this.

excon · May 16, 2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

IF someone should outwardly commit sin during this period..lets just say, they don't get to live to see the next morning.

Hello Tess:

Wow. Sounds like Bush on steroids. I certainly wouldn't want to live there. But, I guess I don't have to worry about that, do I? Wheeew!

excon

cozyk · May 17, 2009, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Of course, Cozyk, keep in mind, that is an interpretation by only a small fraction of Christians.

I think the key word here is "interpretation". We have seen on other threads that when something is left to interpretation, then you have no basis for factual truth. You only have YOUR own personal belief formed through your own perspective .

galveston · May 17, 2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do you have any stats for us?

The view expressed by Classy are pretty common among the various Pentecostal groups.

Here are a few stats:(You can look up the various denominations yourself, if you wish.)

Assemblies of God worldwide: 50-60 million.(The largest Pentecostal group)
Then add the membership of the Church of God (Cleveland, Tenn), Pentecostal Holiness, Pentecostal Church of God, United Pentecostal, Church of God in Christ, Foursquare, and some others, including a lot of independent churches.

And I think the Baptists also hold this view. Baptists, feel free to either confirm or deny this so we will all know.

This is hardly a tiny minority of Christians.

Wondergirl · May 17, 2009, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by galveston

This is hardly a tiny minority of Christians.

Who's left? How many millions?

Fr_Chuck · May 17, 2009, 03:24 PM

Yes, while the number ( so many millions) may sound large it is as noted only a small percent of the entire Christian groups.

It does not even come close to the Catholic, the Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican and more

classyT · May 18, 2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Tess:

Wow. Sounds like Bush on steroids. I certainly wouldn't want to live there. But, I guess I don't have to worry about that, do I? Wheeew!

excon

Hey, you are still alive and kicken aren't you. You could come around... stranger things HAVE happened. :)

classyT · May 18, 2009, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by galveston

The view expressed by Classy are pretty common among the various Pentecostal groups.

Here are a few stats:(You can look up the various denominations yourself, if you wish.)

Assemblies of God worldwide: 50-60 million.(The largest Pentecostal group)
Then add in the membership of the Church of God (Cleveland, Tenn), Pentecostal Holiness, Pentecostal Church of God, United Pentecostal, Church of God in Christ, Foursquare, and some others, including a lot of independent churches.

And I think the Baptists also hold this view. Baptists, feel free to either confirm or deny this so we will all know.

This is hardly a tiny minority of Christians.

Thanks Gal. :) I'm with you. I was raised in a place called Plymouth Brethern... very very conservative. I now go to a non denominational church and the Pastor use to preach at a Baptist church.. so SOME Baptist do agree with this view. I believe Charles Stanley does too ( I'm pretty sure he is Baptist)

galveston · May 18, 2009, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Thanks Gal. :) I'm with ya. I was raised in a place called Plymouth Brethern....very very conservative. I now go to a non denominational church and the Pastor use to preach at a Baptist church..so SOME Baptist do agree with this view. I believe Charles Stanley does too ( i'm pretty sure he is Baptist)

So then we can probably add the Baptists to this column. How many millions more is that?
If it is still a minority, it is hardly tiny.

Besides, since when does mere numbers mean any group is right?

Athos · May 18, 2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Christians:

The other day, Hannity said that he'd torture the Gitmo detainees himself, if he could, and he finished by saying, "and I'm a Christian". I guess he meant that torture isn't against anything Christianlike..

However, I started to think about how Jesus was crucified. Isn't crucifixion torture? I think it is. Wasn't Jesus tortured to death??? I think he was.

I don't understand, then, how a Christian can be OK with torture. Tell me where I'm wrong.

excon

Excon, regardless of what "Christians" have said here, be assured that torture is absolutely antithetical to Christianity - and, for that matter, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and, yes, even Islam.

These pages, for whatever reason, seem to attract the wackos of religion - the sad, marginalized people who populate the fringes of all faiths. Fundamentalists come in all shapes and sizes, and in all religions.

In the US, for the last 30 years or so, they have raised their political voice and go along with just about anything their favored politicians feed them. If they could read, and open a book, they would see how these very blind acceptances have lead to the horrors of the 20th century.

And, yes, Hannity is a wacko.