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Dondi · May 3, 2009, 11:18 PM

Do you think that if one commits suicide that they, if saved, can enter into Heaven? Does committing suicide make you lose your salvation or rather are you ushered into Heaven early. Also, as a side note, if one belongs to the Lord would they really want to harm His creation?

adam7gur · May 3, 2009, 11:36 PM

As I see it , suicide is not black or white.

Dondi · May 3, 2009, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by adam7gur

As I see it , suicide is not black or white.

Could you expound on what you mean by that please?

adam7gur · May 4, 2009, 03:23 AM

I think that the whole suicide thing started with Judas and because he is lost we believe that any person committing suicide is also lost, but I believe that Judas did not make it not because he committed suicide but because he did not believe that Jesus could forgive him.Peter betrayed Jesus three times, Judas only once,but Peter believed in the Lord's mercy,while Judas did not, otherwise he would have done the same as Peter.
Let's say that a mentally ill person, that is not responsible for his actions, commits suicide.Who is to say what will happen to that person?
I don't know, all I know is that God knows better!

homesell · May 4, 2009, 04:31 AM

You're real question should be: if a person has truly been born of the spirit and has very God the creator of all living in side of him and they are to do all they do for the glory of the Father, can they end the life that God has given to them? I think not. If one has been born again, the things of this world(circumstances) would never be enough because all (circumstances) are brought into our life by God.The only suicide God asks for is the putting to death our old self and rising to walk in the newness of the life in the spirit.

Triund · May 4, 2009, 06:00 AM

When we put our faith in Jesus, when we let HIM be on the driver's seat of our lives, when we leave everything in HIS hands, when we take on our cross and follow Christ, when we take HIM as our saviour and live with the promise that we will see and live with HIM one day, when HE gives us the strength to fight Satan and be victorious, then we never ever hasten to pass through the door of death ourselves. HE sends HIS angels to take us home.

However, Satan is always in a hurry to increase his followers and to take them home.

arcura · May 4, 2009, 11:28 PM

I happen to agree with Adam on this.
It depends on the circumstances and only God knows for sure.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

classyT · May 6, 2009, 07:00 AM

It all goes back to the original question... if you are Truly saved... is there anything you can do to lose it? My answer is this... NO. If someone commits suicide but they had accepted the Lord Jesus as their savior they will be in heaven. BUT that is a big big IF.

Dondi · May 6, 2009, 10:08 AM

I want to thank all of you for answering me on this topic. It has actually helped me with some of the teenagers I deal with on a weekly/daily basis through our youth group.
God Bless

arcura · May 6, 2009, 09:54 PM

Dondi,
I'm happy that we could be of help even though there are people on both sides of this issue here.
Some believe that a person can lose their salvation as the bible indicates, and others say not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

classyT · May 7, 2009, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by arcura

Dondi,
.
Some believe that a person can lose their salvation as the bible indicates, and others say not.

Fred

LOL... well I enjoyed the little dig... but my Bible doesn't "INDICATE" that at ALL! Good try though. ;)

arcura · May 7, 2009, 09:57 PM

Classy,
Sorry but the bible DOES indicate that as I have pointed out earlier on this thread.
If a once saved person for some reason changes his/her mind and rejects God such as becoming an atheisty or secularist as some people have done they lose their salvation.
If a person for some reason refuses to forgive others they will NOT be fogiven so Jesus says.
Fred

homesell · May 8, 2009, 05:15 AM

But Fred, since a truly saved person no longer has his own mind but by the Holy spirit the mind of Christ, how can a person that really has the spirit of God within him reject God? I contend that if one is not faithful till the end that the spirit never was in them. They may have had an emotional experience or came forward, or made a decision, etc. But it is the Spirit that chooses where he will go and enter into. Salvation is the work of God from beginning to end. The author and finisher of our faith. It is not of ourselves lest anyone should feel pride that when they think THEY chose God rather than the other way around. If there is no thing we have done to initiate salvation(and there isn't) then there is nothing to stop it. (and there isn't) It is all grace(undeserved kindness) from God.

classyT · May 8, 2009, 05:16 AM

Acura,

Who was Jesus speaking to? Had he died on the cross or was he speaking to the Jews under the law... had we heard of grace, was the gospel as we know it being preached?

arcura · May 8, 2009, 08:43 PM

homesell,
I disagree. But I do understand the point you are trying to make.
I just think that having the holy spirit within us does not make us super persons who never sin or change.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

homesell · May 8, 2009, 09:31 PM

Of course we all sin daily either in thought, word or deed (or the sin of not doing good when it was in your power to do so. And, yes we hopefully are changing daily as we become conformed to the Image of Gods son.

arcura · May 8, 2009, 09:54 PM

homesell
That is also why I believe a person CAN lose his/her salvation.
Fred

adam7gur · May 8, 2009, 11:09 PM

Philemon 1:23 There salute thee Epaphras, my fellowprisoner in Christ Jesus;

24Marcus, Aristarchus, Demas, Lucas, my fellowlabourers.

2 Timothy 4:9Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:

10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica

I agree with Fred on this!
My only note is that we have to see that ''being saved'' is something different from ''entering the Kingdom of Heaven''.

When Jesus healed a person , many times He said that ''your faith saved you''. What was that person saved from?Did that person inherit the Kingdom of Heaven or was that person saved from Satan's bondage?
Being saved is us leaving ''Egypt'' , but there is a looooooong way to the promised land !
Exodus 32:7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

arcura · May 8, 2009, 11:17 PM

adam7gur,
You are right about that.
And it was well presented.
Fred

Fr_Chuck · May 9, 2009, 05:30 AM

I would bring out a "what if" if one can not lose their salvation, then would Judas be saved and in heaven, if one assumes when he was with and followed Christ he accepted him