[NeedKarma]

If more people live their lives like this one is the only one we have they would probably make better choices. Instead we get prison born-agains who believe they are going to heaven.

[Sunflowers]

A waste? No for me it would be a waste living my whole life thinking that in the end I will get my reward while all those who did me wrong will receive their punishments -likewise worrying about what punishments I was going to get for the things I did wrong. Why preoccupy my mind with the idea that it will all be OK in the end instead of dealing with the situation at hand? Why would it be a horrible waste if this IS it and we take our rewards and punishments right here and right now?

I'm glad I was born, I am in charge of my life, I am enjoying my life, and I look forward to my final experience. How could that be a waste?

[galveston]

If more people live their lives like this one is the only one we have they would probably make better choices. Instead we get prison born-agains who believe they are going to heaven.

And do you have such great wisdom that you know FOR CERTAIN that theyare not going to Heaven? You need to be sure because you are gambling your soul on it.

[NeedKarma]

And do you have such great wisdom that you know FOR CERTAIN that theyare not going to Heaven?

Nope I don't know for certain any of that but they believe they are going to "a better place" after treating people like crap during their lifetimes.

You need to be sure because you are gambling your soul on it.

I'm not gambling anything at all. I don't gamble.

[Nestorian]

for me life is, death happens, enjoy the ride, end of story

Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

What you are talking about with the stories, was Fables of religion. Even the Law, is a religion. It doesn't have to be a set of beliefs based on supernatural agencies, it can also be any other set of beliefs. Even a superstition maybe considered a reliegion...

If all we did was enjoy the ride, don't you think that some people would eventually regress to primal mind sets? Like the strong survive, and the weak die. Really there is more at work here then just life and death. To ignore such things is to ignore the very fact that you exist. Even if we do not "live on" after we die as spirits, we will become apart of the world around us. OUr bodies become food for the insects and the chain of life changes into something else.

Though I do suppose your idea of life and death are plossible possibilities. No one really knows what a spirit really is, so maybe we turn into something else. Who knows. :confused:

[NeedKarma]

If all we did was enjoy the ride, don't you think that some poeple would eventually regress to primal mind sets? Like the strong survive, and the weak die. Really there is more at work here then just life and death. To ignore such things is to ignore the very fact that you exist.

Millions do indeed "enjoy the ride" and they are a regular part of society, you'd never tell them apart from your religious friends. There are fanatics on either side, people are individuals, not groups of "saved" versus "not saved". Sure there is more than life and death, there's that whole bit in between; but not believing in an unseen being certainly does not ignore the very fact that one exists.

[Nestorian]

And do you have such great wisdom that you know FOR CERTAIN that theyare not going to Heaven? You need to be sure because you are gambling your soul on it.

Define the human soul.

Define heaven.

Define god.

Did you know that there was an ancient civilization that believed Aliens brought them here. That the aliens were GODs. This civilization some believe to be the lost civilization of Atlantis. They had tons of knowledge, about stars, planets, time (calenders and such.) and so on. It is said by many that it it the oldnest known civilization on earth, roughly 6000B.C.

"The Sumerian Culture, which dates back to 6,000 BC, is the oldest known culture on Earth. Even today we still use the same Mathematical system, Calendar, and Time as they created it so long ago. Since we have the evidence left over today, 6,000 years later, we can see similarities between what they had then, and what we have now.

The Sumerians describe Planet X as being very far from Earth at times, (roughly 30,000,000,000) miles away at it's farthest point from us in orbit. This would make it rather difficult to travel back and forth between the two planets if separated by so much of a distance...

Through the great works of scholars such as Zecharia Sitchin and Lloyd Pye, we have learned that the Anunnaki are said to have created Humans from the primitive man already here, and combined their genes with the primitive Neanderthal to create us. (In their image and after their likeness - just like the bible). More info about the Anunnaki" Sumerian Alien Description - Sumerian Culture and The Anunnaki

Now, I have some skeptisim about this whole idea, but I can not prove or disprove it, so logically I can not accept or unaccept it with out running a risk of being wrong. Why choose whe you can remain open to the idea and just let be what is, and choose what words work for you, and accept that others will do the same.

I've recently did some interesting research and found that:
Preying, meditation, self-affrimations, Cognitive Psychology, even nuerological studies of the imaginaton are tied to one another, if not the same idea different words. They all require imagination, and the imagination is the beginning of anything.

Life seems rather Pliable, and when you try to define it, or control it too much; It'll surprise you and change in some way, or show you that you've missed something along the line some where.

People say, why not enjoy the ride, very dangerous, in that some may take that as a dare to go out and take dangerous risks. Drinking too much, having unprotected sex, having children you won't look after, ignoring others needs, using what you want and leaving nothing for others (the future to be more dramatic, killing out forests/ environment = killing our childern or their childern. No?). No, we also must take responsibility for our actions, as we are fully capable of empathy...

Or maybe I'm just a crazy brother with no idea what I'm talking about, but I guess that's for all else to decide. Who really knows what is after death?

Personally, I almost wonder if we don't travel on a beam of light to a far off place. I mean imagine this, you die, your spirit takes the beam of light to a place billions of light years a way, to some other galaxy and start the whole life thing over again, but as a higher being of consiousness. Like being put in another body, already made. That would be crazy. But there are trials to see if you belong here or there. Depending on how you preform you will receive your retribution. That was just an idea I made up, just now. How can any one argue against it? We don't know the nature of our souls, or what it really is. So why not, eh?

"there is no right or wrong, there is no good or bad, there is only possiblities." -Me
This is a paradox, because I clearly state there are no right, worng, good, or bad, but by saying there are possibilities, I'm also saying that they are possible. So I contradict myself in a way, but at the same time, it's still true.

Any way I'm sure I'm rambling now. :rolleyes: that's me. :p

Peace and kindness

[Nestorian]

Millions do indeed "enjoy the ride" and they are a regular part of society, you'd never tell them apart from your religious friends. There are fanatics on either side, people are individuals, not groups of "saved" versus "not saved". Sure there is more than life and death, there's that whole bit in between; but not believing in an unseen being certainly does not ignore the very fact that one exists.

I should explain that better sorry. I don't care what any one religion, The LAW included mainly on account that people are so easily corupted. They were written by people none the less, then translated from that by others, it's all subject to one's own interpretation.

In deed we are individuals, however, we are also one and the same. "all are one and one is all" Led-zeppelin. People all feel the same feelings, anger, joy, sadness, fear, confution, stress, anxiety, happyness, love, hate, comfort, and belonging, etc; but, some for different reasons than others. If we weren't like that, then how would eve ever understand one another? We have felt this or that before so we can see why some one may react/ act in a given situation. I don't care your race, or religion, as long as you are relatively mentaly stable/ intelegent we are One.

And I will repeate life is Pliable, unfixed, always changing, in constant motion, etc. I don't think that any one answer would ever suffice. As my Phrase below about the colours implies, there is not only one way, nor is there two, there are tones of possibities.

Peace and kindness be with you.

[NeedKarma]

Yup, that's about right. I remember backpacking through Europe after university and meeting people from around the world and thinking "holy crap, we're all really the same." :)

[Nestorian]

Yup, that's about right. I remember backpacking through Europe after university and meeting people from around the world and thinking "holy crap, we're all really the same." :)

Sweet, I have only bin to Australia and new Zealand. But I got to stay at each place for about 3 weeks each. So fun. :D Lots of beautiful women, too :p:rolleyes:

[NeedKarma]

The aussies and kiwis in Europe were the loudest for sure... and fun!

[Nestorian]

The aussies and kiwis in Europe were the loudest for sure...and fun!

They sure know how to party, and I'm from B.C. Canada. I've heard we cvan get rough and roudy, but wow. They are a blast man. :p

[Sunflowers]

Really there is more at work here then just life and death.

Well yes there is a lot of living to do. I'm not against any person's religion. I just don't feel the need to believe in supernatural powers and magic fantastic miracle type things to base my life on. And I'm fine. Really.