[JudyKayTee]

People who do not believe what the Church teaches have no business in the Catholic Church.

At last we are in agreement -

[DominusVobiscum]

At last we are in agreement -

And again you fail to answer my post. It is quite laughable actually. Okay, What do you mean by your latest post? I have my thoughts about what it is, but I do not want to assume as someone we know does all to often.

[this8384]

I have always been pro-life but I am even more against it because before me, one of my husband's ex-girlfriends accidentally got pregnant even though they were practicing safe sex. She told him she was pregnant and was getting an abortion; he told her that he wanted to have the child. She agreed to have the baby, waited a few months, then told him that she took his money and made him fund half of an abortion that he didn't want.

So please, somebody tell me: how can you call it "pro-choice" when the mother gets her way, yet the baby and father get the sh!t end of the deal? That's the most stupid definition I've ever heard because the ONLY person who gets the choice is the woman.

[JudyKayTee]

And again you fail to answer my post. It is quite laughable actually. Okay, What do you mean by your latest post? I have my thoughts about what it is, but I do not want to assume as someone we know does all to often.

I agree again - your post is QUITE laughable.

[DoulaLC]

I have always been pro-life but I am even more against it because before me, one of my husband's ex-girlfriends accidentally got pregnant even though they were practicing safe sex. She told him she was pregnant and was getting an abortion; he told her that he wanted to have the child. She agreed to have the baby, waited a few months, then told him that she took his money and made him fund half of an abortion that he didn't want.

So please, somebody tell me: how can you call it "pro-choice" when the mother gets her way, yet the baby and father get the sh!t end of the deal? That's the most stupid definition I've ever heard because the ONLY person who gets the choice is the woman.

There is not an answer that would suit everyone. I think the pro-choice designation comes about because the woman is the one going through a potential pregnancy. Unfortunately, often times the father isn't even in the picture so it is left to the woman to make the decision. When the father does want the child, should the woman be made to go through the pregnancy, labor, and birth... what about possible complications... perhaps having to quit work and/or school? Some people will think so, others won't. You can find so many different variables that not everyone will agree are valid. It simply is one topic that will always have different points of view... often depending on the individual circumstances.

[this8384]

There is not an answer that would suit everyone. I think the pro-choice designation comes about due to the fact that the woman is the one going through a potential pregnancy. Unfortunately, often times the father isn't even in the picture so it is left to the woman to make the decision. When the father does want the child, should the woman be made to go through the pregnancy, labor, and birth....what about possible complications....perhaps having to quit work and/or school? Some people will think so, others won't. You can find so many different variables that not everyone will agree are valid. It simply is one topic that will always have different points of view...often depending on the individual circumstances.

I just don't like the fact that if a woman's husband/fiance/boyfriend forced her to have an abortion, that would be a violation of her rights; yet when the husband/fiance/boyfriend is the one who wants the baby, it's up to the woman whether she's going to go through with it.

There is no such thing as equal rights when it comes to pregnancy or abortion - there are women's rights and that's where it ends. If we as women are going to demand to be treated as equals, then we sure as hell better not start asking for special treatment.

[DoulaLC]

I just don't like the fact that if a woman's husband/fiance/boyfriend forced her to have an abortion, that would be a violation of her rights; yet when the husband/fiance/boyfriend is the one who wants the baby, it's up to the woman whether or not she's going to go through with it.

There is no such thing as equal rights when it comes to pregnancy or abortion - there are women's rights and that's where it ends. If we as women are going to demand to be treated as equals, then we sure as hell better not start asking for special treatment.

Would you want to be forced to go through a pregnancy, labor, and birth if you didn't want to? It can go both ways... but because a pregnancy can have a tremendous effect on a woman's body, the ultimate decision will lie with her. Not everyone agrees, of course, but there has to be some sort of determining factor.

[DominusVobiscum]

I agree again - your post is QUITE laughable.

Well well well. Here we go again. You are beginning to be too predictable. Trying your hardest to divert the matter at hand. Instead of answering any of my claims you have attempted to draw all attention to your pitiful insults and gradeschool objections. Act as the "Expert" that you are propported to be and answer my claims. My enjoyment is fleeting. Make my day.

[JudyKayTee]

Well well well. Here we go again. You are begining to be too predictable. Trying your hardest to divert the matter at hand. Instead of answering any of my claims you have attempted to draw all attention to your pitiful insults and gradeschool objections. Act as the "Expert" that you are propported to be and answer my claims. My enjoyment is fleeting. Make my day.

Beginning? Gradeschool? Propported?

Let's see - you said, "And again you fail to answer my post. It is quite laughable actually."

I agree - "it" is.

[DominusVobiscum]

Would you want to be forced to go through a pregnancy, labor, and birth if you didn't want to? It can go both ways....but because a pregnancy can have a tremendous effect on a woman's body, the ultimate decision will lie with her. Not everyone agrees, of course, but there has to be some sort of determining factor.

And an abortion doesn't have tremendous effect on the preborn baby's body?

You are right. Not everyone agrees. Especially you and I. Just like not everyone agreed on the issue of slavery, not everyone agrees on the issue of abortion. Tell me, what is the "determining factor".
If taking care of a newborn baby will compromise the mother's health, i.e. stress, loss of sleep, monatary problems, the list goes on, should she have the right to kill it?
Pregnancy is not the evil anti-woman thing that you, Planned Parenthood, and every other pro-abort makes it out to be. PREGNANCY IS NATURAL. A woman's body is designed for it. abortion is not. Are you propurting here that after the abortion the mother will just move on with her life? Do you think that she will never remember her lost child and never feel remorse for takinf the life of another person? There are thousands of women who regret abortions that they have had. The stress and grief are unimaginable! So many compl,ications can occur from procuring an abortion. Dramatically increased risk of breast cancer and ectopic pregnancy, Blood clots accumulating in the uterus, requiring another suctioning procedure.
• Infections, most of which are easily identified and treated if the woman
Carefully observes follow-up instructions.
• A tear in the cervix, which may be repaired with stitches.
• Perforation (a puncture or tear) of the wall of the uterus and/or other organs.
This may heal itself or may require surgical repair or, rarely, hysterectomy.
• Missed abortion, which does not end the pregnancy and requires the abortion to
Be repeated.
• Incomplete abortion, in which tissue from the pregnancy remains in the uterus,
And requires a repeat suction procedure.
• Excessive bleeding requiring a blood transfusion (National Abortion Federation: Safety of Abortion)

take your pick.ABORTION IS BY FAR THE MOST HARMFUL CHOICE THAT A MOTHER CAN MAKE. BOTH TO HER AND HER UNBORN CHILD.

[JudyKayTee]

I believe this is cut and paste without a source being quoted - and then there's the matter of the misspelled words and strange punctuation.

What is the source of this info?

[DominusVobiscum]

There is not an answer that would suit everyone. I think the pro-choice designation comes about due to the fact that the woman is the one going through a potential pregnancy. Unfortunately, often times the father isn't even in the picture so it is left to the woman to make the decision. When the father does want the child, should the woman be made to go through the pregnancy, labor, and birth....what about possible complications....perhaps having to quit work and/or school? Some people will think so, others won't. You can find so many different variables that not everyone will agree are valid. It simply is one topic that will always have different points of view...often depending on the individual circumstances.

NO INCONVEINANCE THAT A CHILD CAN RENDER UPON HIS MOTHER WILL EVER BE TOO GREAT AS TO HAVE TO KILL THE CHILD SO THAT THE MOTHER CAN BE HAPPY.

Lets say that a woman gets pregnant and decides that she wants the baby. So she caries the baby to term and then gives birth to her. Now the baby is six months old and might cause the woman to have to quit school/ work. Should she have the right to kill her? What if taking care of the baby is taxing the mothers health so much that she cannot live a healthy life anymore. Can she kill her baby?

[JudyKayTee]

NO INCONVEINANCE THAT A CHILD CAN RENDER UPON HIS MOTHER WILL EVER BE TOO GREAT AS TO HAVE TO KILL THE CHILD SO THAT THE MOTHER CAN BE HAPPY.

Lets say that a woman gets pregnant and decides that she wants the baby. So she caries the baby to term and then gives birth to her. Now the baby is six months old and might cause the woman to ahve to quit school/ work. Should she have the right to kill her? what if taking care of the baby is taxing the mothers health so much that she cannot live a healthy life anymore. Can she kill her baby?

You are confusing two very different legal issues - abortion and murder.

This is my problem whenever this topic is raised. It goes from abortion to murder, always the same argument, always the same rantings and misspellings. Same argument - "and then the child is one and the mother says ..."

The "pro life" people can't seem to stay on topic.

[DominusVobiscum]

I believe this is cut and paste without a source being quoted - and then there's the matter of the misspelled words and strange punctuation.

What is the source of this info?

What I am siting begins with the bullets. My source is (National Abortion Federation: Safety of Abortion)



Enough dwelling on unimportant matters and answer my arguments.

This will be my last post directed to you if you choose to do otherwise.

[DominusVobiscum]

You are confusing two very different legal issues - abortion and murder.

This is my problem whenever this topic is raised. It goes from abortion to murder, always the same argument, always the same rantings and misspellings. Same argument - "and then the child is one and the mother says ..."

The "pro life" people can't seem to stay on topic.

It is the same topic because abortion is murder because the unborn is a human person.

And I bet you have never answered the argument. Maybe because of well I don't know.. YOU CANT?

[JudyKayTee]

It is the same topic because abortion is murder because the unborn is a human person.

And I bet you have never answered the argument. Maybe because of well I dont know.. YOU CANT?

Legally these are two very different issues - although you do not see it that way.

And I don't make the rules about giving sources. It's a rule of the Board.

Not concerning any moral issues here but I find it interesting that so many people who complain about their taxes and, specifically, Welfare, are NOT in favor of abortion. Who will pay for these children? Who will parent and support them?

I'd be curious to know how many people on this thread who are anti abortion have either adopted or fostered or volunteered and what they see the answer to the financial part of this argument to be.

[ScottGem]

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