[Tj3]

It seems to me that a person can have a none sinful desire or a sinful desire.
Lust is a sinful desire if one lusts for someone other than his wife.
A desire to partake of the Eucharist is a none sinful desire.
That is what I believe.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Agreed.

So everyone appears to agree that a homosexual act is a sin, so a desire for a homosexual act would be a sinful desire.

[Wondergirl]

Agreed.

So everyone appears to agree that a homosexual act is a sin, so a desire for a homosexual act would be a sinful desire.

Same for hetero outside of marriage. And since homosexuals are not allowed marriage or a legal union, they are shot down right from the get-go. Clever fundievangels.

[inthebox]

Leviticus 18:22 You shall lot lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination (NAS) Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable practice. (NLT)
Leviticus 18:30 Thus you are to keep My charge that you do not practice any of the abominable customs which have been practiced before you, so that you do not defile yourselves with them; I am the Lord your God. (NAS)
So be careful to obey my laws, and do not practice any of these detestable activities. Do not defile yourselves by doing any of them, for I, the Lord am your God. (NLT)
So if I am reading this correctly how can anybody who claims to be a christian also be homosexual?

Yes, if they believe and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.


I am a sinner and saved and surely a homosexual, even one that may committing acts, may be saved if they confess and trust in the Lord to help them repent.


Matthew 5: 28

Brings Galatians 3:24 and Romans 8:1-11 into focus.


Surely those who are in Christ know the price that was paid for their salvation.

Psalm 51




G&P

[Wondergirl]

Leviticus 18:30 Thus you are to keep My charge that you do not practice any of the abominable [Canaanite] customs which have been practiced before [i.e. in front of] you

= temple prostitution with males and females =

do not practice any of these detestable activities.

[Tj3]

Same for hetero outside of marriage.

Right. I said that before, no sin is greater than the other.

[Wondergirl]

Right. I said that before, no sin is greater than the other.

But the homosexuals aren't allowed to marry...

Like I said -- clever, very clever.

[galveston]

God never said sex within proper bounds is sin. In fact, Adam & Eve were told to multiply.
He has on many occasions said that same gender sex is an abomination.
No ceremony can justify something that God has labeled clealy as sin. To think so is to indulge in self-decption.
Let's follow that line of reasoning further. Suppose laws are passed allowing siblings to marry. Would that make incest proper? What if we legalize group marriage, polygamy, multiple husbands, or marriage to animals? Would the "legalization" of any of these practices mean that they were no longer sin?
I certainly don't think so.

[Wondergirl]

God never said sex within proper bounds is sin. In fact, Adam & Eve were told to multiply.

And if homosexuals had sex within proper and legal bounds, that too would not be sin, just as it is not sin for heterosexuals. Adam and Eve types have multiplied themselves into a lot of parentless children. Adoption by gays and their partners relieves that condition.

He has on many occasions said that same gender sex is an abomination.

That is a misinterpretation of those words and verses. This has been discussed countless times on this board.

[sndbay]

We all see this as Sin.. Sin.. Sin.. whether lust or desire it is sin..

In Matthew Christ gave an example of just how sin for man does exist.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

The answer to the question ... Keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Which commandments?

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The young man concluded he had done so... what lack I yet?

Matthew 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Jesus concludes .. " If " thou wilt be perfect

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

whoa.... obviously the treasures this man obtained, were what the lust and desire of his flesh benefits from

Matthew 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

NOW Hear Jesus warn the disciples... the word "shall hardly" means in greek with difficulty ref (Mark 10:23 - Luke 18:24)

Matthew 19:23-27 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

NOW HEAR CHRIST

Same Everytime!!

Luke 18:26-27 And they that heard [it] said, Who then can be saved? And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Jesus does go on to say any who do follow His Ways and have forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

We Just Can Not Judge!

[arcura]

galveston,
Your reasoning is very good.
Fred

[Tj3]

But the homosexuals aren't allowed to marry....

Like I said -- clever, very clever.

So what is the point? People cannot marry their cousins either. There are legitimate restrictions on marriage.

[Tj3]

And if homosexuals had sex within proper and legal bounds, that too would not be sin, just as it is not sin for heterosexuals.

Changes to laws of the land does not change what God has decreed is sin. What God says is sin, remains sin.

[Wondergirl]

So what is the point? People cannot marry their cousins either. There are legitimate restrictions on marriage.

Cousins? There was something in the paper this week that geneticists are finding that marriage between first cousins isn't the disaster that has been portrayed. There's no restriction on any other kind of cousin.

[Wondergirl]

Changes to laws of the land does not change what God has decreed is sin. What God says is sin, remains sin.

He didn't say that.

[Tj3]

Cousins? There was something in the paper this week that geneticists are finding that marriage between first cousins isn't the disaster that has been portrayed. There's no restriction on any other kind of cousin.

Okay, change cousin to sibling.

[Tj3]

He didn't say that.

Read again - here is his quote:

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And if homosexuals had sex within proper and legal bounds, that too would not be sin, just as it is not sin for heterosexuals.
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The law of the land (i.e. legal bounds) does not dictate what a sin is.

[Wondergirl]

Okay, change cousin to sibling.

No.

[Tj3]

No.

It ruins a good story, doesn't it :p

[Wondergirl]

Read again - here is his quote

His?

[Tj3]

His?

Whatever - gender doesn't matter to you, does it? :D