[Shelesh]

The Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus is the Son of God but is not God and they pray only God The Father.. A question: What is the foundation of your belief?
(I don't want to offend anyone. If you feel offended, you please 4give)

It is written in the Holy Bible:

I John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Can the Bible be wrong? No, it's PERFECT.

These are just few I listed above.. The Bible speaks about the Trinity of God and that Jesus is God. I don't understand why you, Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus is not God..
Actually it's a friend who started the discussion with me and she said: 'I need proof from the Bible which speaks about the trinity'.. After the discussion, I wanted to know more on the Trinity.

If I'm wrong somewhere, you please correct me... am still 'young' in the study of the Bible.

Please post your answers and share whatever is in you mind.
Thx!!

God Bless.

[Fr_Chuck]

Actually most if not all of the Christian faiths I know of pray to the Father only. You may pray in the name of Jesus but all prayer has always gone to the Father.

We see this from where Jesus prayed to the Father ( did not pray to hisself) and taught others how to pray to the Father. So if we follow the bibe and the instructions of Jesus we pray to the Father.

[Shelesh]

But the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one. And Jesus is considered as God, right?

[Fr_Chuck]

But this is the mystery of the Trinity, in that while all are one, they are three separate personalities or "persons" We see Jesus praying to the Father and he instructed us to pray to the Father ( not to him)
He tells us we can not get to the father except though him.

The concept of the trinity is hard to understand, since you can't understand it, it is one of the issues of accepting by faith.

But then if we accept Jesus raising from the dead ( a concept not humanly possible) then a mere accepting of a concept should be easy

[Shelesh]

I've just read Ephesian 5:20 which says:

Giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ok, its clear now... But my main question is concerning the trinity.

[Tj3]

Fr_Chuck is right. Each member of the trinity is fully God, but each has a differing role. That is why we are to pray to God the Father in the name of Jesus. That is why Jesus is the Redeemer, Jesu is the only member of the trinity who is fully man and fully God. Only the Holy Spirit indwells believers, and it is only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which cannot be forgiven.

You are right that Jehovah's Witnesses err regarding the trinity. They deny that Jesus is God, they claim that the Holy Spirit is only an energy source needed to help God do His work as God since they are deny that God is omni-present. There is much much more about their doctrines regarding God which are unBiblical.

[Shelesh]

Fr_Chuck is right. Each member of the trinity is fully God, but each has a differing role. That is why we are to pray to God the Father in the name of Jesus. That is why Jesus is the Redeemer,. Jesu is the only member of the trinity who is fully man and fully God. Only the Holy Spirit indwells believers, and it is only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which cannot be forgiven.

You are right that Jehovah's Witnesses err regarding the trinity. They deny that Jesus is God, they claim that the Holy Spirit is only an energy source needed to help God do His work as God since they are deny that God is omni-present. There is much much more about their doctrines regarding God which are unBiblical.

Can you list some of the unBiblical doctrines! I'd like to know more..

[Tj3]

Can you list some of the unBiblical doctrines!! i'd like to know more..

Here is an overview of JW doctrines:

http://www.geocities.com/smithtj.geo/jwchart.pdf

[Fr_Chuck]

As most know I am not JW but I will add, their teachings differ from that of other main line churches, they are as welcome here in the Christianity section as everyone else.

So while we may say they are in err, they in turn would merely say we are.

[adam7gur]

It is written about the Son.. his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Son is also our Father because He is The Word that made everything as John says,therefore He made us also and that makes Him our Father although He is not The Father!
So when we pray to the Father,let's have this on our mind, I think this helps us clear this issue inside us.
You can find helpful things in other recently asked questions about the Trinity(Do you believe in the Trinity or not by De Maria f.e.) and I will be happy to help you in any way I can!
God bless you!

[arcura]

Shelesh,
I agree with Tj3, Fr, Chuck and Adam on the concept of the trinity.
A somewhat easy way to grasp a trinity in one being is to think of ourselves as a trinity of mind, body and spirit.
All three are needed to help the one being to function fully.
Your mind is you, your spirit is you, and your body is you.
The Father is the creator with the Son through whom all things (Both seen and unseen) were created, and the Holy Spirit is the giver on life and who inspires us and all are One God.
The universe would not exist as we know it if it were not for all three persons of God functioning together.
You would not exist without all three of you (body, mind and spirit) functioning together.
The JW use several selected verses of the bible to make the claim that Jesus is not God.
They do the same for others of their beliefs such as they believe it is wrong to celebrated Christmas or people to celebrate their birthday.
The believe the Jesus was not hung on a cross but impaled on a stake.
This type of believe come from believing in selected verses of the bible and not the entire bible.
It is one on the main reasons there are over 3,000 different denominations and non-denominational churches.
Even so the JW are considered to be Christians because they believe that Jesus was and is the Messiah and most other denominations do.
As far as I'm concerned "Any friend of Jesus is a friend of mine".
That is how I get along well with other Chrsitians.
In this country and may others it is their right to believe as they choose.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Aliena]

'Your mind is you, your spirit is you, and your body is you.
The Father is the creator with the Son through whom all things (Both seen and unseen) were created'.I don't agree with this saying.why do you people compare God to a person.God is all powerful.he therefore doesn't need anyone to help him.If Jesus said to us to pray his father,why do people believes that he is God?he came here to teach us the way of life,to differentiate between right and wrong things but that doesn't mean he's God.we have to pray to only 1God,which is the 1 who created us and the Earth,that is the Father.the 1 and only God.everybody is the Son of God,not only Jesus.By calling him the 'Son of God' doesn't mean that he is God also.If God had 1more son,you people would pray to all these three? but only the father who created us.GOD IS NOT A PERSON.he can do whatever he wants because he has the power and he doesn't need anybody nor anything to help him.he loves Jesus,but that doesn't mean when he sent him on Earth by calling him 'the son of God',that we people have to pray him.he came here because God ordered him to do so.


Mark 10.18:
No one is good except God alone

Jesus feared God in the old testament(From NIV Bible,John 8028)

John 14.28
My father is greater than I

If God n Jesus are equal,why did he said that his father is greater than he?he came here to teach us,not telling us to pray him.he did all the thing like a human being,all the proofs are clear that he is not God but its our mind that says he's the 'son of God',he came here for us and he and his father make one,so,we will have to pray him.

If we use our mind,our logic,God and his Son cannot make one.its not because it is written in the Bible that we have to believe it!there is more research to be done on this topic.what if it's a man who wrote about the 'trinity' and we people are believing it because we think that the Bible is perfect.but if it is so,we are taking the wrong way.we need to be more understanding as there are different Bible and which one is the right one to believe in.

Am sorry if I have offended anyone but I am just telling about my opinion.

God Bless

[adam7gur]

Aliena
The bible says that the Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus because He made Himself equal to God.
According to our logic a man and a woman cannot make one , but it is written that they are one.
Why is the Father greater then the Son?Because the Father gave birth to the Son and the Son would not be without the Father.The Son is The Word who became flesh.The Word preexisted creation, but before human time was made,the Word was born by the Father,that's why the Father is greater than the Son.
Is The Son,God?
Is my son, human?Do dogs give birth to something less than dogs?Do cats?Do fish?Do plants or trees or insects?
Why do we pray to the Son?Because He is the in between.There is no other way to approach the Father , only through the Son,the begotten Son,the Word who became flesh,Jesus Christ,the same yesterday , today and forever!
Maybe this helps you understand what some of us believe and why we believe it!
God bless you!

[Aliena]

But is the Father a human beings like the Son?because as far as I know,a cat give birth to a kitten(meaning cat itself)but what about the Father?how did he made himself equal to God? but in certain Bible,they do not believe in Trinity.How are you sure that your belief is true and it's not a person who invented it?

Yeah,we also would not have been without the Father.the Father is greater than the Son,but why do we pray to Jesus,and on the top of that,praying in his name? but where do the creator stand? we are addressing to his Son,asking him for help!when we ask a christian who do they pray,they'l say;'jesus',if they were one,why is only the name of 'Jesus' being mentioned.don't the Father have a name?or if they make one,their must be a name which means both of them.

As I can see,here Jesus is greater than the Father as it's the only Jesus name to be taken whenever we ask about God.

We have to pray directly to God,why praying through his Son when it's the Father who is more powerful and it's him who created us.

By the way,thanks for answering my previous questions but I would have like to know more.

[N0help4u]

You need to take all the verses and balance them. God uses the human terms of a husband and wife being one to explain the mystery of the spiritual unity between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said plenty of times he and the father are one. John 1 says that God created the universe with speaking THE WORD. Jesus is the word. When we speak our words are US speaking we can not disassociate our words from us they are our very being.

[Tj3]

Yeah,we also would not have been without the Father.the Father is greater than the Son

The Son is equal:

Phil 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
NKJV

,but why do we pray to Jesus,and on the top of that,praying in his name?

The Son is God.

Heb 1:8
8 But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
NKJV

And as NoHelp4u pointed out:

John 1:1
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NKJV

!but where do the creator stand?

Jesus is the creator of all things:

Col 1:16-18
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
NKJV

!we are addressing to his Son,asking him for help!when we ask a christian who do they pray,they'l say;'jesus',if they were one,why is only the name of 'Jesus' being mentioned.don't the Father have a name?or if they make one,their must be a name which means both of them.

Yes, they have a name together as one God:

Isa 48:16-17
16 "Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD

(Note: This is God the father, and the word here in Hebrew is the name YHWH) and

His Spirit
Have sent Me."
17 Thus says the LORD

(Note: This word in Hebrew is also YHWH, the name of God and allpies to the person speaking)

, your Redeemer,

(Note: This identifies the speakers as Jesus - so the Father and Jesus are both YHWH!)

The Holy One of Israel:
"I am the LORD your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
NKJV

[Aliena]

Has Jesus ever sin?
The christian believe that Jesus was crucified.

1.did those who captured him know him in person?or they did not know him?
s.Matthew testifies that they did not know him

2.was it during the day or night that he was captured?
s.Matthew says-it was during the night

3.who was the one that directed them to him?
s.Matthew says-he was the one of his twelve disciples called Judas Iscariot.

4.What was the conditions of Jesus during that night?
s.Matthew says:he was fearful and prostrated in prayer saying:'o God,if it is possible for you to let this cup pass from me,then let it pass."it is incredible that such words come from a believer in God,because all believers believe that God has power over all things.

5.did they help him when those ruffians captured him?
s.Matthew says:they forsook him and fled.

6.how was he crucified according to their assumption?
st.Matthew says:they crucified him between two thieves both of whom abused him by saying,'if you are truthful then save yourself.'

he even asked God y he has forsaken him.

here we can see that he believed in God..how can a God believe in God?!his saying himself is an evidence..

in S.Matthew 26:39

"and he(Jesus) went a little further,and fell on his face and prayed,saying,O my Father,if it is possible,let this cup pass from me:nevertheless not as I will,but as Thou wilt."

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of God's will and realizes the fact that he is the son of God.He(God)alone can cause the change.

As he is the most powerful.

[Aliena]

Jesus is the creator of all things:

Only Jesus who is the creator?the Father?
It's the Father who decides everything.Jesus himself when he came on Earth he was praying,asking for help.he should have at least some power,why he was referring to God?

[Tj3]

has Jesus ever sin?
The christian believe that Jesus was crucified.

1 John 3:4-6
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
NKJV

1 Cor 2:6-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
NKJV

As for the rest, I note that you have no references and it appears that you copied this off the usual internet list of so-called contradictions. I do not mind answering questions, but responding to things simply copied and pasted off internet which were posted by someone who did not even take the time to read the passages the context is simply a waste of our time.

here we can see that he believed in God.. how can a God believe in God? his saying himself is an evidence..

In S.Matthew 26:39

"and he(Jesus) went a little further,and fell on his face and prayed,saying,O my Father,if it is possible,let this cup pass from me:nevertheless not as i will,but as Thou wilt."

Yes, Jesus is God in the flesh:

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
NKJV

As a man, to be a perfect sacrifice and to be sinless, He had to believe in and worship God as a man. When he came to earth as a man, He humbled Himself to live as a man, a perfect man so that he could be the perfect sacrifice for sin. Had He failed to acknowledge the Father as God, He would have sinned.

[N0help4u]

They are one BUT they are three distinct forms with three distinct purposes.
Like a stereo with a CD player, a tape player and a radio they are ONE unit but they all have their own distinct functions.