[21boat]

"Union officials say Japanese automakers generally pay workers at their non-unionized plants in North America close to the same wages and major benefits as employees in union assembly operations. Its an American issue though left by the Bushies.

Talaniman I knew this was coming. So lets see go the bait and tackle sop to get fishing supplies and hear the guy behind the counter say. :Yea there biting on that and the blues are running strong at buoy 8 at the sea wall. I laughed what a sales pitch I fished the whole past 2 days there along with everybody else "TRUE STORY and nothing of the sort.
I ALSO belonged to Teamsters local 771 in the 80s dock work. Pay was $13.22 per Hr. Plus 100% eye /dental/medical got in there because construction was shot. I live in the country farm area and at the time housing out of the city was around $80,000.00 MY brother worked for another delivery trucking company and he was NON UNION $8.29 Per hour!!! So SO health insurances. I be real Curious as what was left out on the SLIDE Difference of what the medical end of the union auto to non union auto In the ACTUAL operating cost of hiring that auto worker. Or maybe when you read that it was what!!

Did the Union Report state that the non Union Auto workers work harder than the Union Workers did!!!!! I've lived the differences on the Docks to SEE IT. The Unions have Greatly went the other way. It was originally to help abuse of a worker in labor and fair wages. Now its helps LAZY workers because its gotten so lopsided. Again I'm the Expert on that and Lived it. So talaniman I guarantee you will NEVER see that truth in a UNION REPORT!!

So use YOUR common SENSE as to what do you think "The UNION officials" are going to, HAVE to report its close in pay to non Union to justifier Them being in existence. If not and it was close to the same then what. Don't forget Union dues which comes out of EVERY PAYCHECK from that Employees actual pay!! The more they Slant the report the more DUES!! they get. The Union is a business not a protection to that sense. Its a business of more more sales to keep them afloat and justify there existence. So believe what you want I WAS A UNION WORKER WERE YOU. I saw the differences, which ironically is about the same spread as the numbers I REPORTED as Well as The live NEWS right after Obamas speech this past week.

Who do you think RAN the Mafia Unions to begin with. The Report your reading is like asking a drug dealer on a corner street do you think the drugs here are higher than the other side of town. Do you think theres a lot of illegal drug activity here?! Boy how naive people have become. OH lets not forget that most ALL media is pro liberal. So at best when it goes in favor of the Conservative side we just get bit and pieces of the truth. Again I come form LIVING IT AT GROUND LEVEL. I become that TRUTHFULLY REPORT my paycheck proves it and so does my Brothers and the workers there. So at that point and time I WAS the EXPERT I didn't need to read a Union Report. The numbers I heard last week is almost exactly the same difference in spread ( scale difference ) from 1981 to 2009.

I have been running a business for over 20 years and if I had to pay even $1.50 an hour more than my competitor at the same business I'm in Hello So what here paying ANY measurable difference in auto workers is want, Oops I forgot to mention how the Toyota etc taxes are complied differently for our foreign competes that manufacture here. Could also explain why Ford Motor company was in Africa. or Johnson and Jonson and Major drug Companies are in Puerto Rico Tax breaks!! Hershey foods building a big plant In MEXICO. It keeps the unions out or weak in power too. So do the simple economics hear and see how the real report is. Oh the unions also was one of the silent biggies to help push real hard to get the law changed in the U.S. to get the sticker MADE in the USA. So the Assembly was done here so THEY wouldn't Loose their DUES they live on.

Just so you know I have nothing against unions they helped stop child/women slavery in our factories during the start of out industrial revolution. But in a GLOBAL economy it will NEVER work and is hurting us to adjust to that world economy. Ironically Thats EXACTLY what gave the foreign auto industry its strong foot hold to take DOWN the top 3 US Giant auto Companies. I bet that is not on the front page of ANY Union Report!

My dad work for another Union in Armstrong World Industries which between that and the asbestos suits took a fortune 500 company to its knees and couldn't compete in the non Union Global Economy. So I feel I'm one of the EXPERTS here on unions so what union do you belong to talanim ? Ive sat listen to MY Union reports and Knows how that Goes

The bushies did not BUILD GETMO and its been used for the COLD WAR for a LONG TIME for the same thing so again how naive people are today. What ever happened to common sense here. I know the liberals are missing a lot of it and they are stupid to think all of us are that stupid. Hows that go "A fool is to fool oneself" Wasn't it the logic of our sciences that got us hear, and now whipping around the planet and space.

[talaniman]

I WAS A UNION WORKER WERE YOU

More than 30 years, served on the safety committee. I know how it goes, and can even understand how a company would do anything to stop having a union shop in his business. Heaven forbid them poor Mexicans, or Koreans, get a freaking union. Then they can buy some of the things they make. How about if the Asians had a union, think they could afford some of the clothes they make in their sweatshops?? Poor Wal-mart might have to pay them a living wage.

What you speak of is exploitation. And when the global economy figures it out led by the free world and the INTERNET, where is Wal-mart going to go for cheap labor?

Oh, I guess what you would rather have is Americans, making Asian wages??

[21boat]

That explins the pro Union huh how slanted can a commite Pro Union worker be on a union Report!!

That's like talking to the Drug Dealer

Meet your kind before

How ironic

No try owning a business that's Union and compete with the Global Economy

[talaniman]

how slanted can a committee Pro Union worker be on a union Report!!

As slanted as a CEO who runs his company into the ground and gets a bail out... and a bonus.

The unions didn't break the bank, and the rich ain't bailing them out either.

Are you? I am!

[21boat]

To Judykay “This is simply not true. Where did you read it?”

Hear is a small part where I read this. I don't make it up its public informantion

I can get back for other doucmantion for the union and wages differences too. So I can answer your question completely.
USATODAY.com - Big-city schools struggle with graduation rates

This is from book American Idol winner Fantasia Barrino which is a great story.
This and the other sites reflect what I said and the presdeints comments on the news too.
The revelations have struck a raw nerve in Detroit, where 47 percent -- nearly one of out of every two adults -- is functionally illiterate, according to a government report, "The State of Literacy in America." In fact, national studies suggest Detroit's illiteracy rate is the highest among major American cities. According to a 2002 United Nations report, Detroit falls short even when compared to developing Third World nations, such as Cuba, which has 2.7 percent illiteracy rate. In Ecuador, 7 percent of adults can't read, and in El Salvador, 18.9 percent of adults. When an Idol can't read - 10/12/05
Here is how the figures vary here However, the bureaucrats at Detroit Public Schools are going nuts because they say the numbers are “totally erroneous.” They say that they report a graduation rate of 67% to the state. So who is telling the truth? They both are. The difference is that Michigan school districts are only required to report the graduation rate of current seniors. In other words, they calculate it by taking the number of students who start the 12th grade and dividing it by the number of students who graduate that year. The Education Week report takes the more realistic approach of taking the number of students to start the 9th grade and dividing that into the number who actually graduate in the 12th grade. You see, many of the students who drop out do so before the 12th grade. Detroit Public Schools is misleading the public, as is the state of Michigan, by only reporting graduation rates of 12th graders.The one study was done in 2002 the one below shows the trend form the to 2006. I could get 2008 but enough is here it speaks for itself. Hear are to comparables and reflects what the president is talking about

Lowest to highest graduation rates in the nation's 50 largest school districts

Rate District Size rank

21.7 Detroit 11

Source: EPE Research Center
Posted 6/20/2006 6:11 PM ET
Updated 6/20/2006 11:26 PM E

Let me know if you need info on the rest of my post comments . I only posted a small portion of the school and the 47% illiterate numbers and rate of %

[talaniman]

I can get back for other documentation for the union and wages differences too. So I can answer your question completely.

Make sure you include the tax breaks that Japanese car companies get for putting plants here in the US. ( of which Toyota has closed 9/10 assembly lines today ) and just curious, how do you expect to compete in the global economy when the American workers are on food stamps? Ya think the rest of the world can make money without the biggest consumers in the world? Can your own workers afford to buy what they make? Just curious. I agree with the education part of your post, though.

[21boat]

Make sure you include the tax breaks that Japanese car companies get for putting plants here in the US. ( of which Toyota has closed 9/10 assembly lines today ) and just curious, how do you expect to compete in the global economy when the American workers are on food stamps?? Ya think the rest of the world can make money without the biggest consumers in the world??

I agree with some points hear.

As an arrogant American I hope not but I think we missed that one. The development of India and I believe they just past the double pop mark is an untapped market and just getting Started like China did years ago. Speaking of the auto industry and all of the buyers there for the $2,500 $3,000 car. Think how that market is going to swing as we the big three are in BAD shape.

I understand where you are coming from. Last week on a show it was said China makes over 80% of the children toys for the U.S. 60 minutes in the 80s, It was about other countries not paying there fair share in U.S. taxes The way that worked on importing VCRs was the foreign Company shipped VCRs to an island that had a "Holiday Tax" what ever that was I will never forget the words? Shipped from there to the U.S. and claimed the only made a couple of dollars profit on the sale of one VCR. They weren't cheap on ratio to the 80s paycheck.

I'm not an expert on our immigration U.S. laws but as I understood there was and probably still is a 5 year tax break for minorities Business here for whatever U.S. criteria was met.

It was inevitable we were going to crash. Between the rising powers in demand for products and the unbalance of comparable cost in there cheap help in foreign countries to ours it is and was to lopsided and it caught up. Of course our 55 billion leaving the U.S. didn't help and sped that along and collapsed the house of cards, which was mentioned back in the Clinton years and from then to now I feel they all screwed up.

The food stamps and welfare has its place but its not policed properly. And its one of those BIG growing markets that is So abused, So badly so that just this past summer a city police officer was at my job site because, of stolen tools again, and he told me he arrested a person that had 3 recent Welfare checks on him. NY. NJ. Pa. He called NY and they said oh well, can't do anything about it.

Obama wants and is starting more welfare and its to help America. Huh That what's went so wrong in time since it started. I have a simple solution to help stop some big abuse of Gov Checks. Random Drug Test to get a Gov Check. Why not. Basically Gov. big business are required to drug test employees for insurance reasons etc. So why not have it for Welfare checks and food stamps. SO I feel the whiplash here will hurt more than help the U.S.
Get back to you on that auto comparable and will check on the diff in base pay and I feel the tax brake will offset that a lot when middle and upper management pay rates compared to Toyota etc Good point no matter what in the broad sense.

That would make a good thread.

[talaniman]

Obama wants and is starting more welfare and its to help America

Two million workers lost their jobs, what, are they supposed to starve all of a sudden? There are no jobs being created by the wealthy, or the small business community, so you tell me how do people feed their kids and heat their homes or buy a darn thing in this climate.

Why is it like this? TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMIC, supply and demand, There can be no supply without demand so we all just sit and look at each other. ( Reagan's economy was smoke and mirrors and led to the biggest deficit of that time, sorry I was there, and he WAS a union buster to boot )

Darn those welfare people for taking all the money!!! Fie on those poor lazy folks for bringing down Wall Street! Hang 'em high I say!!!

When do the rich guys get laid off????

[JudyKayTee]

21boat: This is from book American Idol winner Fantasia Barrino which is a great story.

I don't consider Fantasia Barrino to be a great (or even a good) source when researching.

This is like going on the legal board and quoting Judge Judy - only worse.

[Ren6]

To answer the original question, everybody is watching Obama. I find it creepy that so many people have a sort of cult adoration of him, however. I'm a skeptic. It won't take much to do better than Bush, you know?

[retiredforgood]

Even though I voted for John McCain, I think the larger good was served by showing the world that the United States was finally mature enough to elect a man whose father was a black Kenyan and whose mother was a white American.

[neverme]

As someone from outside the US, who holds an American as well as an Irish passport, the day he was inaugurated was one of the first days in a long time that I had felt proud to say I was an American citizen. He has inspired the world, and for the first time in a long time America can hold it's head up high.


So do I think he will fail?

Realistically how can he not with the insurmountable expectations piling up on him.

The English Blog: Cartoon: Obama's Oath

Have a look at what was in the Irish Times the day he was inaugurated.

[kpangor]

I don't know what anybody else is busy doing but am busy watching himmm
The man tryna to better out the hole bush did and I can't believe there are people here saying negativities about him... geez grow up!!

[JudyKayTee]

i dont know what anybody else is busy doing but am busy watching himmm
the man tryna to better out the hole bush did and i can't beleive there are people here saying negativities about him...geez grow up!!!!!!

I also find your odd combination of street talk and text messaging makes it difficult to take you seriously on a political board.

Sometimes it is better to be silent and thought to be stupid than speak and prove it.

[smearcase]

I have been proud to be an American citizen and veteran for 62 years. My patriotism doesn't fluctuate based on who is elected as long as I still have the right to vote.
The important thing right now is where is your 800 billion or so is going? The state I am from has 16% going to infrastructure, and 72%to health and education. If this is a trend across the country (not to question the importance of health and education-but) we will have the healthiest, smartest peasants ever to scrounge for scraps of food since Grapes of Wrath days.

[talaniman]

I think its takes more than a month to come in and repair, the damages done to this country over the last few years.

[450donn]

Government has never ever been able to Fix ANY problems, They are the cause of the problems we have today. Congress is the biggest culprit in the financial mess we are seeing today. You cannot continue to blame one political party when it is abundantly clear that both parties have had a major hand in this mess. Only solution enact term limits, and vote everyone of them out of office as soon as possible.

[kpangor]

And for you I rather like for you to ignore my post instead of trying to be my teacher here... am free to speak as I want, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I WRITE JUST IGNORE IT!!

Government has never ever been able to Fix ANY problems, They are the cause of the problems we have today. Congress is the biggest culprit in the financial mess we are seeing today. You cannot continue to blame one political party when it is abundantly clear that both parties have had a major hand in this mess. Only solution enact term limits, and vote everyone of them out of office as soon as possible.