[Wondergirl]

Now if only you were so meticulous at examining the context of scripture, we might be able to conclude this discussion.

Well, there is church tomorrow morning. It's getting late. And, before I go to bed at 12:30, I do so want to answer the Sploofus web site's Trivia Question of the Day (TQOTD), especially since I will be able to wager and win 8 million points if it is a subject I'm comfortable with.

Please don't confuse its and it's any longer. I'll be watching.

We can pick this up tomorrow sometime. Maybe some of our buddies will join us.

Sleep well. Good night.

[Tj3]

Well, there is church tomorrow morning. It's getting late. And, before I go to bed at 12:30,

And I thought that you said that you were good to go all night!

[Wondergirl]

And I thought that you said that you were good to go all night!

Oh, I'm good, but this is in your best interest. I don't want you to get overtired. Don't forget -- I'm a mom and can sense these things.

[Tj3]

Oh, I'm good, but this is in your best interest. I don't want you to get overtired. Don't forget -- I'm a mom and can sense these things.

Heh heh heh, well there is a mom closer than you who knows me much better. I am another timezone away from you, so I have a one hour advantage. But if I am wearing you down, I understand - get well rested for the next round!!

[Penguinio]

My best friend is struggling with being homosexual.
She has been a christian for several years.
She says the situation is weighing her down and takes her further away from God.. she said that when she is close to God (praying everyday, doing bible studies etc) she feels as if the "problem" is lifted off her.
The bible also says in 1 corinthians 6:8-11 that its not something that can lead u to the path of righteousness. And at the beginning of time God made man but thought man needed something more, a women.. so like obviously God intended only man and women to be together in a more intimate relationship I spose..
They're just my thoughts.. :)

[classyT]

I gave you a list from Paul's writings. Take a deep breath and let it out slowly. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, good. Now, open the windows in your mind. I know, I know -- they've been painted shut over the years. Mine had been too. Maybe get a pry tool and worry the seams a bit. Did I hear a cracking noise? Hmmmm, we might be getting there. Or maybe not.

LOL... my mind isn't painted shut neither is it open to drivel. There is nothing in the Word that would suggest Paul had a some secret sin he couldn't overcome. Quite the contrary. I'm going to go out on a limb here and point blank tell you that what you are suggesting is something that Paul told Timothy was a "doctrine of demons". I'm not a woman that is tossed too and fro like James wrote about gobbling up silly theory's and thoughts without a bit of proof. I prefer to take Paul at his word... he was MORE than a conqueror and leave it at that.

Tj3,

Incidentally, you are right. I believe Paul was married not only was he a pharisee but he was in a special group ( can't recall the type) but anyway marriage from what I have learned was one of the requirements.

[Tj3]

Incidently, you are right. I believe Paul was married not only was he a pharisee but he was in a special group ( can't recall the type) but anyway marriage from what i have learned was one of the requirements.

You are probably thinking of the Sanhedrin.

[Wondergirl]

I believe Paul was married not only was he a pharisee but he was in a special group ( can't recall the type) but anyway marriage from what i have learned was one of the requirements.

And that proves what, if he was a homosexual?

[Wondergirl]

LOL...my mind isn't painted shut neither is it open to drivel. There is nothing in the Word that would suggest Paul had a some secret sin he couldn't overcome.

It was apparently no secret!!

[Wondergirl]

what you are suggesting is something that Paul told Timothy was a "doctrine of demons".

And what a fantastic thorn in the flesh it would have been -- the perfect humiliation!!

[Wondergirl]

I prefer to take Paul at his word

That's what my list does, takes his words right out of the epistles.

[classyT]

That's what my list does, takes his words right out of the epistles.

OK OK OK... let me rephrase... I prefer to take Paul at ALL of his words... in other words I prefer the entire PICTURE painted of Paul... not just romans 7. He was so much more than that chapter... Wondergirl, what do you do with ALL of his writings... what about him being MORE than a conqueror? What about him forgetting those things which are behind and press forward... what about this great man saying... I DIE DAILY. He LEARNED how... why do you want to diminish who he was and what he accomplished for the Lord? Why do you tell half of the story?

[Wondergirl]

ok ok ok...let me rephrase...i prefer to take Paul at ALL of his words...in other words I prefer the entire PICTURE painted of Paul...not just romans 7. He was so much more than that chapter....Wondergirl, what do you do with ALL of his writings....what about him being MORE than a conqueror? What about him forgetting those things which are behind and press forward...what about this great man saying...I DIE DAILY. He LEARNED how...why do you want to diminish who he was and what he accomplished for the Lord? Why do you tell half of the story?

My list is taken from his words in many of his epistles.

[classyT]

My list is taken from his words in many of his epistles.

Wondergirl,

If the apostle paul didn't learn how to die daily and wasn't more than a conqueror than he was a liar and I wouldn't WANT to read any of his epistles. I said before and I will say it again... you tell HALF of the story.

[Akoue]

There is nothing in the Word that would suggest

The Word (capital "W") is the second person of the Trinity, incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible, sometimes also called the "word" by some, is a book--or really a collection of texts composed at various times by various people under various circumstances. When you use a capital "W" to talk about the Word, it is quite natural to think that you are talking about the second person of the Trinity. But you are clearly referring to the Bible. You want to be careful about the Word/word distinction, since Christians are prohibited from worshipping a collection of texts, but are encouraged to worship the Word.

[classyT]

And what a fantastic thorn in the flesh it would have been -- the perfect humiliation!!!!

Except it makes NO sense how he could suddenly be given a THORN and the THORN was to lust after men.. LOL it is so silly. Of course it wouldn't a doesn't JIVE with how he lived his life... dying to himself and living for Christ. Yes the Lord allowed satan to give him a lust for men at the ripe ol age of what..? I don't know 40 something? Just sos he would get all puffed up and think he was something... yep.. I see it now... it all makes sense. LOL LOL

[Akoue]

ok ok ok...let me rephrase...i prefer to take Paul at ALL of his words...in other words I prefer the entire PICTURE painted of Paul...not just romans 7. He was so much more than that chapter....Wondergirl, what do you do with ALL of his writings....what about him being MORE than a conqueror? What about him forgetting those things which are behind and press forward...what about this great man saying...I DIE DAILY. He LEARNED how...why do you want to diminish who he was and what he accomplished for the Lord? Why do you tell half of the story?

I don't see how it would diminish anything.

I have no idea whether Paul was gay or not, but I don't really see what hangs on it. Could you explain where the problem is that I seem to be missing?

I'm also unclear what this "half the picture" is that Wondergirl is supposedly omitting.

[classyT]

The Word (capital "W") is the second person of the Trinity, incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible, sometimes also called the "word" by some, is a book--or really a collection of texts composed at various times by various people under various circumstances. When you use a capital "W" to talk about the Word, it is quite natural to think that you are talking about the second person of the Trinity. But you are clearly refering to the Bible. You want to be careful about the Word/word distinction, since Christians are prohibited from worshipping a collection of texts, but are encouraged to worship the Word.

And using a capital letter when referring to the word of God means I am worshipping a collection of texts? Naah, I just think it is more than a mere book written by men or it could be a typo... never know with me.

[Akoue]

and using a capital letter when referring to the word of God means I am worshipping a collection of texts? naah, i just think it is more than a mere book written by men or it could be a typo...never know with me.

Fair enough.

I still am genuinely puzzled by the exchange between you and Wondergirl, though. Could you explain why (a) you think it would somehow diminish Paul if he had been gay and (2) what the "half the story" is that Wondergirl is leaving out? I've read through the discussion and am honestly confused about that.

[Wondergirl]

and using a capital letter when referring to the word of God means I am worshipping a collection of texts? naah, i just think it is more than a mere book written by men or it could be a typo...never know with me.

Be careful with apostrophes too. Plural nouns don't get one.