[cozyk]

I understand your theory and if may be valid. As you say though we do not know for sure. All we do know is that here on earth we need to use our mouth and ask for forgiveness. So, if that were to hold true then if you are dead you cannot get down on your knees and open your mouth and ask God for forgiveness for the sin you just committed.
Personally I do not want to take the chance that I have any unrepented sin in my life when I die and face God one on one for my judgment.

Do you mean these things in a literal sense. Physical form and audible words? Or do you mean just getting your heart right with God?

[450donn]

Do you mean these things in a literal sense.? Physical form and audible words? Or do you mean just getting your heart right with God?

I personally think that we need to actually open our mouths and talk directly to God. During work or when you are in situations where is might not be possible to talk out loud, then yes you can talk to God in your thoughts. But there is nothing like a real honest to goodness conversation with my creator to make me understand what he wants for my life. That is what prayer is all about. A conversation with God.

[cozyk]

Good question , so let me explain better!
It is written..Exodus 20:5 for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So I rephrase..It was not the kid's sin but his parents' or his grandparents'
You are absolutely right when you say ..''What sin could a 4 year old commit '' , there is no sin !!!

Oh man, I so DO NOT believe this, even if it is written in the bible. What kind of voodoo religion is this? "visiting the iniquity of the fathers". That is is god I don't believe in. It goes against everything that is right and innocent. Punishing a child for the sins of the fathers.
No way.:mad:

[arcura]

cozyk,
That's the way it is according to the bible.
The children of evil does can set that aside by not hating God as the parent's did, but by loving God, following Hid commandments and asking for forgiveness for sins.
Peace and kindnress,
Fred

[arcura]

seeker08,
It is very interesting the way you put that.
God is no hypocrite, but He saves as He see fit.
For a person to be saved after death is a stretch for there is nowhere in the bible that God does so.
Rather the bible tells us that after death we are judged for what we did in this life.
I for one do hope that at least some people who commit suicide are saved.
For only God knows the full circumstances of a person's life.
I have prayed for mercy for the souls of the friends I had who took their own life.
Under the circumstances that is the best I can do for them.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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[U.N.Owen]

Nobody human can answer that.
Even the books claimed to be handed down from gods are written by men so they contain plenty of man's embellishments.
All I can say is to seek out the god ans try to ask it yourself and see what the answer is.