[tomder55]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/wo...east.html?_r=1

What I find most interesting about this long over-due Israeli response is that Egypt appears to be siding with Israel.

While Barak was working out the final details with the officers responsible for the operation, Livni went to Cairo to inform Egypt's president, Hosni Mubarak, that Israel had decided to strike at Hamas.

Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about - Haaretz - Israel News

Egypt Blames Hamas for War
YouTube - Egypt Blames Hamas for War

Egypt is sealing its border with Gaza and firing on Palestinians seeking refuge.
The Press Association: Egyptians open fire on Palestinians

Best guess as to why Egypt is doing this is because they fear Iranian Revolution influences in their back yard more than they fear a Zionist state .

Mubarak accused the Islamic Republic of trying to subsume its Muslim neighbors, telling the forum that "the Persians are trying to devour the Arab states."

Mubarak's comments came after the Egyptian leader recalled the country's diplomatic envoy from the Iranian capital earlier this week following an increase in tension between the two countries.

Recent strain between Cairo and Teheran has grown as several demonstrations in Iran called for the hanging of the Egyptian leader. The Iranian FARS news service reported that participants in recent student demonstrations outside the Egyptian diplomatic mission in Teheran also chanted "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" and burned an Israeli flag.

'Iran wants to devour the Arab world' | Middle East | Jerusalem Post

Meanwhile the useless UN condemns Israel for it's "disproportionate use of force".Meaning it would be much better if Israel indiscriminantly launched rockets into Gaza one at a time .

[Galveston1]

Yes, this "disparate use of force" seems to be the latest PC application.

No one is supposed to win. Everyone is supposed to lose equally!

[magprob]

Happy Hanukkah bomb and slaughter to all of you.

“When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living there, you shall then slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy…You shall destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people unto the LORD thy God and He has chosen you to be a special people above all others upon the face of the earth…”

–Book of Deuteronomy, 7:1-8


So in other words, Zionism–the idea that the “Chosen people” were promised the land encompassing modern day Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and elsewhere and were given the commandment to expel, murder and enslave the peoples and civilizations already there got its start with Abraham and was later put into practice by Moses and those who came after him. By definition then, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Saul, David and all the other “Patriarchs” (the George Washingtons, Thomas Jeffersons and John Adams of “Israel”) were Zionists.

Putting this into context, any other person or group of persons claiming to have received divine messages from some “higher power” telling them they were superior creatures and commanding them to invade, slaughter, enslave and rob other peoples not like them would–rightly–be branded criminally insane, delusional, fanatical and locked away for life. As it is today though, this situation is not categorized as such. Rather, it has been made into a “holy” religion that guides the actions of a nuclear-armed nation.

[tomder55]

OK mag apply that logic to America and it's settlement .

Assuming I accept your premise... If 100s of rockets were launched from the Indian Reservation lands at civilian targets ;how would you expect the US to respond ?

Given the lack of major "spontaneous " response from the "Arab street " ,that Egypt and the rest of the Arab nations appear to support the IDF actions (note the unwillingness for the Arab League to respond) ; the UN tepid reaction ;the silence of the "Quartet"... it appears there is little sympathy for the plight of the Hamas thugs.

[tomder55]

LATEST :
A cease-fire has been rejected

Aaron Klein of World Net Daily has been making the radio talk show circuit and reported that Hamas has obtained Chinese/Iran made rockets that can reach Tel Aviv.

Egyptian President Mubarack said that Egypt will not reopen the Gaza border crossings until and if the PA (Fatah) take control of the checkpoints. That sounds like the playing of 'el deguello' to me.

All Egyptian Army leaves are cancelled. They could be the anvil for the IDF hammer .

[magprob]

America hasn't completely cut of supply lines to the American Red Indian yet. If our government were starving them, they would have every right to shoot rockets.
Israel is committing ethnic cleansing.
But you know, I can't argue it with the Jewish folks so I'll stop here.

[tomder55]

Our ethnic cleansing occurred in earnest with Andy Jackson and accelerated until the natives were no longer a threat.

[magprob]

So that makes it OK for our government to condone it.
I see.

[magprob]

YouTube - Cynthia McKinney SLAMS Israeli Navy

YouTube - Relief Boat Rammed While Attempting To Deliver Supplies To Gaza! Cynthia McKinney On Board!

[tomder55]

Yeah ;I'm sure by the time the press finishes with this episode, it will be the next USS Liberty incident .

So that makes it OK for our government to condone it.
I see.

I say we did far worse .
We had a removal of the natives from the lands East of the Mississippi under Jackson and then invaded the lands West ;conquered the nations again .

Israel has returned almost all the land captured since the 1967 war and has no desire for expansion... has a Palestinian population living inside Israel with full citizen rights and representation in the Knesset .

The Palestinians have held elections ;are a free state ;get massive humanitarian assistance from Israel . Israel has tried to deal with the residence of Gaza as a civilized nation.

Instead ;rocket attacks from Gaza rain down on Israel on a daily basis for months with no response. Again ;what would the US reaction to that be if the rockets came from the reservations ;or from Canada or Mexico ?

What would you suggest ? The final solution no doubt. Israel exists... the Palestinians need to get over that reality .

[firmbeliever]

Israel exists ....the Palestinians need to get over that reality .

I am sure all those innocent women and children dying/wounded in that area realise that Israel exists.

Just had to put my nose in here, not having a good day and to see the massacre continue,it is heart wrenching.

Violence seems to be escalating everywhere.. even the so thought "peaceful" community I belong to is not so peaceful anymore.

[tomder55]

I am sure all those innocent women and children dying/wounded in that area realise that Israel exists

They then should petition their Hamas elected leaders to stop launching random rocket attacks at innocent Israeli women and children from the top of their homes/hospitals/Mosques / schools etc.

[Dare81]

They then should petition their Hamas elected leaders to stop launching random rocket attacks at innocent Israeli women and children from the top of their homes/hospitals/Mosques / schools etc.

Wow talk about over simplifying things. As soon as the Israeli are done killing innocent Palestinians they will start working on the petition you are talking about. There are just a little bust TRYING TO STAY ALIVE

[excon]

Hello:

Seems we have sort of a disconnect... White is black. Black is white. Somebody better get a grip pretty soon, though.

The Israeli's don't target civilians. Hamas does. I don't know what's so hard to get about that.

Hamas houses its military wares in CIVILIAN areas, just so that when Israel attacks military targets, they're going to kill civilians.

Israel, on the other hand, keeps it's military FARRRRRRR away from its civilian areas. They do that, because they really value their citizens. Hamas uses their dead citizens as propaganda.

So, you'd think that Hamas would attack military targets, like the Israeli's do... But, nahhh. They'd actually rather kill civilians...

These facts aren't really difficult to understand... But, of course, if you're just blind...

excon

[NeedKarma]

Let them kill each other, they are religious fanatic idiots in my humble opinion.

[tomder55]

Petition was too kind a word . They should overthrow their Hamas leaders and string them up like Mussolini . Then they should elect reasonable leaders who want to live in peace with their neighbor .

[excon]

Hello again:

A couple of days ago, Israel dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on a Gazan home which killed a top Hamas leader.. . In addition to 18 others, including his four wives and nine of his children.

I'm sure he was a baaaad guy... However, they could have found a better way to do that. How about exploding cigars or cell phones?

excon

[tomder55]

I'm sure there was a reason. Perhaps the guy had a bunker under his house ? It is well known that Hamas uses human shields, planting weapons in mosques, schools and civilian neighborhoods. The Israeli's have been very careful in their pin-point targeting selection and very careful to minimize civilian casualties. It is dropping leaflets warning neighbors of Hamas leaders to leave their homes, and also making thousands of phone calls to civilians telling them when to leave to avoid being hit. No other country conducts war this way.

While they have conducted war against Hamas ,Israel has allowed 8,000 tons of humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, with food, medical supplies, fuel, etc .

Compare that the fact that 6,500 rockets have randomly fallen on Israel since disengagement in 2005 .Going back even further ,Hamas was bombing Israelis on buses, in cinemas, pizzerias, markets when Israel was negotiating peace as far back as the Oslo Accords .

Still Israel kept the truce with Hamas even as the rockets rained on them. It was Hamas's decision to go to war against Israel. In their own words, they broke the "truce" and declared war.

[Dare81]

I'm sure there was a reason. Perhaps the guy had a bunker under his house ? It is well known that Hamas uses human shields, planting weapons in mosques, schools and civilian neighborhoods. The Israeli's have been very careful in their pin-point targeting selection and very careful to minimize civilian casualties. It is dropping leaflets warning neighbors of Hamas leaders to leave their homes, and also making thousands of phone calls to civilians telling them when to leave to avoid being hit. No other country conducts war this way.

While they have conducted war against Hamas ,Israel has allowed 8,000 tons of humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, with food, medical supplies, fuel, etc .

Compare that the the fact that 6,500 rockets have randomly fallen on Israel since disengagement in 2005 .Going back even further ,Hamas was bombing Israelis on buses, in cinemas, pizzerias, markets when Israel was negotiating peace as far back as the Oslo Accords .

Still Israel kept the truce with Hamas even as the rockets rained on them. It was Hamas's decision to go to war against Israel. In their own words, they broke the "truce" and declared war.

WOW I am sure there was areason, lol This is pretty funny.And how would you know that there must have been a reason. The problem with people like you that you are so blinded by your beliefs that you don't see the other side of the equation.Isreal may win this battle but I doubt it will win the war.

[Dare81]

The rights and wrongs of killing civilians | Proportional to what? | The Economist

Proof that isrealis are killing civilians!!