[Tj3]

Fine, I'll compile a list of evidence if that's what you really want, give me a few days, it's late and I don't want to search tonigh. Of course, knowing you, you'll say something like "of course it sounds bad, if you read the verse before and after what was quoted then it wouldn't be bad at all".

I know your games Tom, you never play fair. Sadly, I'm now going to your level, and I hate that.

I see more false accusations.

Let's see what you claim as abuse. Let;'s see if it amounts to abuse like the name calling and false accusations that we see on here, or whether the standard chnages and what you come up with is simply disagreement.

No, this is me at my worst, and I'm not proud of it, but alas, I am human. When goaded I usually fight back. And your excuse?

I do not need an excuse because I have done; nothing that needs an excuse. If you know that you are being nasty, then why don't you grab a coffee, calm down and come back and stop attacking the person, and rather engage the topic. How about it?

[Alty]

I'm done. This is a never ending battle and I'm done fighting. I don't know why I keep coming to the religious discussions threads to fight the same battle with the same people and still end up getting no where.

I don't wish any ill will towards you Tom. I don't agree with you, but I do wish you all the best.

If I'm correct then this thread will soon be closed down because of the two of us, so what's the point in continuiing to argue? What was the point to begin with, neither one of us are going to change our minds.

Good luck.

[Tj3]

I'm done. This is a never ending battle and I'm done fighting.

Why fight in the first place? Why can we not just discuss the topic?

I don't wish any ill will towards you Tom. I don't agree with you, but I do wish you all the best.

Then why not drop the hatchet and discuss the topic respectfully, and be willing to accept the fact that I do not need to agree with you, and yes, I may strongly disagree with you.

What was the point to begin with, neither one of us are going to change our minds.

My attitude towards discussions differs from yours apparently. I never see the outcome of a respectful discussion to be a loss because no one's mind was changed. I love truth. If I am challenged respectfully in my beliefs, and if after examination, I find that I am in the wrong, then it is a win, because I have learned more about truth. (That is, BTW, why I would never say that I would reject evidence for the sole reason that it disagrees with me - that is why I said that I did not understand why you would take that approach).

If I find that I am right after the challenge, then the fact that I have been forced to do more study and research means that I now am better able to defend the truth and have learned more.

How can you lose if you focus on truth?

It is not, therefore, a matter of who wins or loses, or if someone's mind is changed - often people are unwilling to change their minds. But it is a matter of our focus in life - are we focused on truth and willing to follow it wherever it leads - even if the evidence leads someplace that we wish that it did not.

Yet nonetheless, as I said, you are perfectly welcome to believe as you wish, but if you wish to discuss doctrine/beliefs publicly or you challenge the beliefs of others, you should expect that your opinions will be challenged. If you have problems with others disagreeing, then perhaps religious discussions are not a good place for you. You will have to decide that for yourself.

[Credendovidis]

The topic is : " What is truth? "

Certainly the truth is NOT lying and cheating...

:rolleyes:

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[Tj3]

The topic is : " What is truth? "

Certainly the truth is NOT lying and cheating ....

:rolleyes:

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Right - so get back on topic.

[asking]

Then why not drop the hatchet and discuss the topic respectfully, and be willing to accept the fact that I do not need to agree with you, and yes, I may strongly disagree with you.

Drop the hatchet? Respectfully?

Tj, I find Alty to be one of the most polite and rational people on this forum. Your graphic and goading words seem strikingly inappropriate and untrue.

[NeedKarma]

Tj, I find Alty to be one of the most polite and rational people on this forum.

I second that. I would be more partial to her way of life than to TJ's.

[Curlyben]

>Thread Closed<
I don't think I need to say why!