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    Nov 3, 2008, 07:21 AM
    Lines to vote
    Hello:

    Did you see the lines?? Why do we have lines? Can't bureaucrats count? Who do long lines favor? It it a political ploy? Have you ever heard of the poll tax? Is this ANOTHER one? Is this voter supression?

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    Nov 3, 2008, 07:35 AM

    Polls aren't open yet .Perhaps that is why there are lines.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 07:38 AM

    Twitter set up this thing to report polling abuses.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 07:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    polls aren't open yet .Perhaps that is why there are lines.
    Hello tom:

    My bad..?

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    Nov 3, 2008, 07:47 AM

    Where are these lines ? Actually it does demonstrate the level of enthusiasm for this election if they are lining up 24 hrs in advance.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 07:54 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    For the moment, I'll assume than you're not peeing on my leg. Some of the southern states have early voting. It's happening RIGHT NOW, here in THIS country. You can SEE the lines for yourself if you switched on the TV.

    However, I somehow think you know this. You're not as UN-informed as you portray yourself. Why is that?? Maybe it's because you KNOW that the long lines ARE a purposeful political ploy by the Republicans to Suppress the vote.

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    Nov 3, 2008, 08:19 AM

    That is a ridiculous proposition. Big turnouts mean long lines. Everyone promoted early voting and people heeded that advice.

    NJ doesn't have early voting ;is a Democrat run state ;and is still expecting long lines tomorrow.
    If there is long line where I poll I'll gladly stand in it.

    As for the early voting lines my best guess is that there are a lot of 1st time voters and their IDs needs to be verified . Even in NJ and NY ;the bluest of the blue states ,they are telling new voters to be prepared to show ID.

    I know ACORN et-al would prefer that voters aren't IDed ;even Donald Duck will be required to show it however.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 08:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    that is a rediculous proposition. big turnouts mean long lines. everyone promoted early voting and people heeded that advice.
    Hello again, tom:

    So, these bureaucrats got caught by surprise, huh?? NOW, you're peeing on my leg.

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    Nov 3, 2008, 08:38 AM

    The Ohio vote has already been controversial in many ways with challenges to registrations. The biggest challenged however is the expectation of record turn out and long lines tomorrow. Who is in charge of the Ohio vote?. Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 09:49 AM

    Excon,

    You are kidding right? You are grasping at straws if you are implying that long lines are the result of the republicans.

    And besides that even IF it were a ploy, so what? My time is just as valuable as a democrats. IF I can stand in the long line to cast my republican vote.. so can the democrats.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 10:09 AM
    Hello T:

    You should come around more often. You make my arguments for me...

    Republicans and Democrats aren't alike. Most Democrats have to work. Many Republicans, like yourself, don't. So, Democrats can't afford to stand in line all day, and you can.

    If that comparison doesn't work, how about this one? Republicans and Democrats aren't alike. Most Democrats have jobs that pay hourly. Most Republicans have jobs that pay salaries. Democrats can't afford to stand in line all day because it costs them MONEY, and most Republicans can, because it DOESN'T cost THEM money.

    Want another? Democrats and Republicans aren't alike. Most Democrats have to pick up their kids from daycare. Most Republicans have nanny's to handle the children. Therefore, Democrats can't afford to stand in line all day, and Republicans can.

    For a variety of reasons, only SOME of which I have pointed out, long lines at the polls support Republicans and suppress Democrats.

    I suggest that the long lines are NOT accidental. No, indeed. I further suggest that these voter suppression efforts are well known tried and true tacticts that work. I even suggest further, than even though tom points to a Democrat in charge of something, that the people who are responsible for making sure that there are not enough voting machines, are Republican, through and through.

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    Nov 3, 2008, 10:28 AM

    Ex,

    I don't know what world you live in.. but not mine! I do not personally know any republican that doesn't HAVE to work. I don't know any that have a nanny either. Everyone I know has a job and has to take time off. Some actually bring their children with them!! Shocking as that may seem!

    You are wrong when you say MOST... dead wrong. AND there are lots of rich little democrats too. Don't believe me? Check out hollywood.

    AND if it really is a hardship to stand in those long lines for democrats... they can use a absentee ballot and vote in the convience of their home, on their schedule. So you see mr. Exxy, you aren't so smart after all.

    And fyi.. you ever say I don't work again and mister... you are going to have some serious troubles with ME! I am a stay at home mom and it IS WORK. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 10:48 AM
    Hello again, T:

    OMG, a Republican AND a feminist... K, you win.

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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello T:

    You should come around more often. You make my arguments for me......

    Republicans and Democrats aren't alike. Most Democrats have to work. Many Republicans, like yourself, don't. So, Democrats can't afford to stand in line all day, and you can.

    If that comparison doesn't work, how about this one? Republicans and Democrats aren't alike. Most Democrats have jobs that pay hourly. Most Republicans have jobs that pay salaries. Democrats can't afford to stand in line all day because it costs them MONEY, and most Republicans can, because it DOESN'T cost THEM money.

    Want another? Democrats and Republicans aren't alike. Most Democrats have to pick up their kids from daycare. Most Republicans have nanny's to handle the children. Therefore, Democrats can't afford to stand in line all day, and Republicans can.

    For a variety of reasons, only SOME of which I have pointed out, long lines at the polls support Republicans and supress Democrats.

    I suggest that the long lines are NOT accidental. No, indeed. I further suggest that these voter suppression efforts are well known tried and true tacticts that work. I even suggest further, than even though tom points to a Democrat in charge of something, that the people who are responsible for making sure that there are not enough voting machines, are Republican, through and through.

    excon
    Ex, I like you. I really do. But this is just insulting.

    I have always had a job since I was 15 years old. I bought all of my own cars and pay all of my own bills. I work a full-time, hourly wage job which I bring my daughter to, because I can't afford daycare or a nanny. I'm not living it up; I would love to stay home with my daughter while my husband worked but the truth of the matter is, we can't afford it. And guess what?

    I vote Republican.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:06 PM
    Hello again,

    Of course, the ideas expressed above are general in nature - not specific. They are generally true, however. No?

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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:09 PM

    I have to disagree.

    What happened to crybaby Democrat Alec Baldwin leaving our country? The last I checked, he's still not Canadian. In fact, the last I checked he was exercising his 1st Amendment right on his minor daughter's voicemail.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:10 PM
    If you're going to start generalizing everyone, that's where stereotypes come from. I could say you're always going to be a drain on society just because you've been convicted... is that true? Absolutely not.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:13 PM

    And as a sidenote, I don't like McCain. I'm still voting for him though; not because I vote by party but because Obama is shady. His ideas are great yet there's no explanations. Where the he// is he going to get these millions of dollars for all of his "change?" Oh, that's right... yours and my pockets.
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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:15 PM
    Hello again, this:

    I would, however, accept your generalization that MOST exconvicts ARE a drain on society.

    You are allowed to think that both Democrats and Republicans come from the same parts of society. I don't think that's so, and I think my generalizations are accurate.

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    Nov 3, 2008, 12:30 PM

    Yes and no; I have a friend whom I've posted about before; she is a single mother, raising her 2 children alone after her husband walked out on their son's 8th birthday; her truck has 290+K on it and she can't afford to buy a new one. She is self-employed as a cleaning lady; she takes her kids with her to work because she can't afford a babysitter. She also votes Republican.

    All of the people in my region who are voting Democratic are all driving expensive cars and own lake property. That sure isn't my income bracket.

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