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    Oct 23, 2008, 11:59 PM
    What circuit breaker size should I use?
    I recent purchased a heater that is rated 42.2 amps @ 240 volts. I was told by a licensed electrician that 8 awg would be fine for the heater. I have read some forums and now am questioning that also. I am wiring it in @ 220v So my questions are. Will it pull more amps @ 220v and if so how much? And will 8awg wire be good for the install?
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    Oct 24, 2008, 01:33 AM

    #8 will likely be fine unless the distance is excessive.

    Most services in the US is 120/240. 220 has gone by the wayside.

    To answer your question though, the heater will draw less amps at 220 V.
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    Oct 24, 2008, 01:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleStupid View Post
    #8 will likely be fine unless the distance is excessive.

    Most services in the US is 120/240. 220 has gone by the wayside.

    To answer your question though, the heater will draw less amps at 220 V.
    Ty for your reply... So are you saying a 40 amp breaker will hold?
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    Oct 24, 2008, 01:38 AM

    Guess that was my next question... olol will a 40 amp breaker hold or should I step up to a 50.. and If I go 50 will I have to drop to 6awg?
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    Oct 24, 2008, 01:40 AM
    Usually when you step up in volts on a multi-volt unit... the amps drop. So I figured goind from 240 to 220 would pull a few more amps.
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    Oct 24, 2008, 02:26 AM

    That's a disagree. Can't change it.
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    Oct 24, 2008, 02:27 AM
    It's not correct to use a 50 A breaker and #8.

    EDIT: #6 and 60 A breaker because on more than 3 hrs/day and breaker has to be rated > 125% of load, rounded up to nearest breaker size. Thanks, stan
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    Oct 24, 2008, 03:57 AM
    WHOA guys!

    First off forget the 220-240v thing. "220" is an old term that we just can't seem to shake. It's 230 or 240 volt. Commercial and industrial setting will also have 208v, but 99.999% of the time in a home it is 120/240v and nothing else.

    NOW... this heater draws OVER 40 amps. You can completely rule out #8 NM cable. In fact, you can also rule out a 50A circuit. You cannot even use #8THHN in conduit as that is only rated for a 50A circuit. If an electrician told you #8 he needs to brush up on his code.

    You need a minimum of #6 on a 60A breaker. Electric heat MUST be figured at 125%. 42.2x125%=52.75A minimum circuit. This get rounded up to a 60 since there is no 55A breaker.

    If you are running NM cable you can run 6/2NM for this "straight 240v" circuit.
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    Oct 24, 2008, 04:12 AM

    Oops. It's on more than 3 hrs/day. Stan's right.
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    Oct 24, 2008, 04:43 AM

    Ty very much for your replys... you guys have given me more info tonight than Ive gotten anywhere in the last week. Stan you said a minimum on 60 amp and #6 awg wire. Would you see it safer with a 70 amp breaker? If so would 6awg still be good for the install. My main concern if overheating and fire of course. I want to be as safe as possible. Thanks again guys... GREAT HELP!!
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    Oct 24, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleStupid View Post
    Oops. It's on more than 3 hrs/day. Stan's right.

    Has nothing to do with being on more than 3 hours per day.

    Branch circuits for electric heat is always rated 125% of the load, period.

    I saw this earlier, but had problems getting back online, glad that Stan picked up on this.

    The electrician that said #8 was fine scares me.
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    Oct 24, 2008, 11:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by SmokebTp View Post
    Stan you said a minimum on 60 amp and #6 awg wire. Would you see it safer with a 70 amp breaker?
    No, 60 is more than enough "cushion".
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    Oct 24, 2008, 11:59 AM

    Thanks again guys great help!!

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