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Galveston1 · Oct 23, 2008, 05:07 PM

Now we are hearing that Obama has plans to give full citizenship to illegals. All 12 million of them. That would mean Social Security and welfare. Are you ready for that?

jjwoodhull · Oct 23, 2008, 05:27 PM

Can you please tell me where I can read about this?

Galveston1 · Oct 23, 2008, 06:03 PM

During the Democratic presidential debate held in Las Vegas in November 2007, moderator Wolf Blitzer asked Obama if he supported driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. Obama answered: "Yes."

[Source: Debate transcript, Nov. 15, 2007, Las Vegas]

Obama also addressed the licensing of illegals during the October 2007 debate. Asked if he favored Spitzer's plan, Obama replied: "I think that it is the right idea. And I disagree with [Sen.] Chris [Dodd], because there is a public safety concern. We can make sure that drivers who are illegal come out of the shadows, that they can be tracked, that they are properly trained, and that will make our roads safer. That doesn't negate the need for us to reform illegal immigration."

[Source: Debate transcript, Drexel University, Philadelphia, Pa. Oct. 30, 2007]

It shoud be obvious that a driver's licence is the open door to all kinds of services and privileges that an illegal should NOT be given. Especially the vote.

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

It shoud be obvious that a driver's licence is the open door to all kinds of services and privileges that an illegal should NOT be given. Especially the vote.

Give 'em NRA memberships too!

jjwoodhull · Oct 23, 2008, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Now we are hearing that Obama has plans to give full citizenship to illegals. All 12 million of them. That would mean Social Security and welfare. Are you ready for that?

When you said "we are now hearing" I thought you had new information - not something from a year ago.

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Obama: "We can make sure that drivers who are illegal come out of the shadows, that they can be tracked, that they are properly trained, and that will make our roads safer."

Each one will get a number so we can keep track of them. Where's the part about full citizenship that you are concerned about?

magprob · Oct 23, 2008, 07:15 PM

No, no, no. You misuderstood him. He did not mean all of them as in the 12 million that are already here. He meant ALL OF THEM. Here or not.

North American Union driver's license created

BTW, I know it's not FOX news reporting the story so it can't be true. Iknow that it is just a conspiracy theory, a bunch of hacks, freaks or whatever else.

jjwoodhull · Oct 23, 2008, 07:22 PM

magprob - thank you for the link to the story about some guy in North Carolina who thinks that there should be a North American Driving License. Can you please tell me where I can read about Obama's support of this guy's idea?

magprob · Oct 23, 2008, 08:06 PM

You will have to wait for that. After the election.

jjwoodhull · Oct 23, 2008, 08:09 PM

I'm being serious - I am an independent who has not yet decided. If you took the time to write that then I would assume that you have a source for your information. Can you please share it with me.

magprob · Oct 23, 2008, 08:19 PM

I'm as serious as a heart attack. Obama wants a one world government. That is no secret unless you only listen to the MSM that are in love with their new messiah.

Read the 2008 Republican Platform: Page 8 & 9.

Here is a quote.

Faith and family, culture and commerce, are
enduring bonds among all the peoples of the
Americas. Republicans envision a western hemisphere of sovereign nations with secure borders, working together to advance liberty and mutuallybeneficial trade based on sound and proven free enterprise principles. Our relations with our immediate neighbors, Canada and Mexico, are grounded on our shared values and common purpose, as well
as our steadily increasing trade. We pledge to continue this close association and to advance mutually beneficial trade agreements roughout Latin America, promoting economic development and social stability there while opening markets to our goods and services. Our strong ties with Canada and Mexico should not lead to a North American union
or a unified currency.

See full report:

The NAU War Room, Leading the fight against the North American Union

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by magprob

I'm as serious as a heart attack. Obama wants a one world government.

Please quote Obama on that.

magprob · Oct 23, 2008, 08:43 PM

I found one article I read. There are two or three more I can't seem to find right now. I'll keep looking. These people are going to dissolve Americn Sovereignty. That is no sec ret. I don't want that to happen but it looks like we can't stop it now. McCain is the same. They are all the same.

Why I oppose CAFTA | U.S. Senator Barack Obama

magprob · Oct 23, 2008, 11:50 PM

I'm sure you know who Zbigniew Brzezinski is?
18 November 2007
The Technotronic Society

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

Zbigniew Brzezinski.

BRZEZINSKI'S VISION FOR AMERICA
"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D. a former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner said, "The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."

"THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives," Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997.

"These are the very first words in the book: "Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power."- p. xiii. Eurasia is all of the territory east of Germany and Poland, stretching all the way through Russia and China to the Pacific Ocean. It includes the Middle East and most of the Indian subcontinent. The key to controlling Eurasia, says Brzezinski, is controlling the Central Asian Republics. And the key to controlling the Central Asian republics is Uzbekistan. Thus, it comes as no surprise that Uzbekistan was forcefully mentioned by President George W. Bush in his address to a joint session of Congress, just days after the attacks of September 11, as the very first place that the U.S. military would be deployed."

tomder55 · Oct 24, 2008, 02:46 AM

McCain will not be much better on this issue. He tried twice to railroad shamnesty through the Senate. Only when the Senate backed down because "the loud people"; [as Lindsey Graham called citizens who called their Senators about the issue], mobilized against it .
He has since said that border security comes first . But I do not think his heart is in tough enforcement of the borders.
The only difference between the 2 candidates is how quickly and under what terms will illegals become citizens.

excon · Oct 24, 2008, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

That would mean Social Security and welfare. Are you ready for that?

Hello Gal:

Nahhh. I think we should just continue to rip them off like we been doing. Yeahhh. We should absolutely continue to deduct payroll taxes from them that they'll NEVER get back because they can't file a return... We surly should keep the SS taxes they pay, even though they'll never collect... You bet we should CHARGE them for unemployment insurance that they'll NEVER collect because they can't...

Yeah, who do those people think they are?? We should rip 'em off even further, ifin I had my way...

Regarding the drivers licenses. Ifin it were up to me, I'd like to be assured that all the drivers on the road that I HAPPEN to be on, are tested, licensed, and insured... Maybe YOU don't want that on YOUR streets, Gal, but I do on mine...

excon

tomder55 · Oct 24, 2008, 06:51 AM

Reuters AlertNet - INTERVIEW-U.S. to miss deadline on Mexico border fence

No surprise here :

The United States will miss its deadline to complete a security fence along the Mexican border this year, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Thursday.

magprob · Oct 24, 2008, 11:23 AM

Ifin I had my way, we would build a wall like Israel. Like Palistine.

Wondergirl · Oct 24, 2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by magprob

Ifin I had my way, we would build a wall like Israel. Like Palistine.

Or make Mexico our 51st state?

I'd rather spend the wall money on checkpoints that would include immigration offices that would interview each immigrant possibility, explain the rules for acceptance, assign a federal number to each accepted into the program, and provide transportation to those not accepted who need a ride south. I want to be in charge of the entire program--that, or education.

magprob · Oct 24, 2008, 12:14 PM

Don't you mean 58th state? :) States are a pain in the bum when it comes to complete federalization.
Too much trouble and cost. How about this:
Make Canada, U.S. and Mexico one huge country. One super state. Now that would be profitable for all. The corporations could have a field day scooping up resources and the central federalized corp. would control it all. Through the centralized federal bank of course.