[sndbay]

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. What Jesus said he plainly means. I take that step of faith: I believe and am baptized, and I come out a saved man. That is salvation. So never let us regard baptism as of small concern. Tremendous things hang upon it. It is no less a question than of two violently opposing worlds and of our translation from the one into the other.

Agree.. and you have done a planting of seed well worth reading.I do hope that many read all that was posted.

Finally, what occupies the gap? What is the steppingstone between those two worlds? Is it not burial? "We were buried therefore with him through baptism into death" (Rom. 6:4). From one point of view there is a grim finality about those words "buried into death." My history in Adam has already been concluded in the death of Christ, so that when I walk away from that burial I can say I am a "finished" man. But I can say more, for, praise God, it is no less true that there is the other side. Since "Christ was raised from the dead," when I come out of the water and walk away, I may walk "in newness of life" (6:4).

And clearly one walking in newness of life in Christ. Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

This double outcome of the Cross is implied too in the preceding words of Romans 6:3. "Are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?" Here in a single sentence the two aspects of baptism are again hinted at. It is baptism into two things. First, we who believe were "baptized into his death." This is a tremendous fact, but is it all? Not by any means, for in the second place the same verse says that we were "baptized into Christ Jesus." A baptism into the death of Christ ends my relation with this world, but a baptism into Christ Jesus as a living Person, Head of a new race, opens up for me a new world of things altogether. Going into the water I simply act the whole thing out, affirming publicly that the "judgment of this world" became real to me from the day when the "lifted up" Son of man drew me to himself.

Written by Watchman Nee

We follow Christ

I Corinthains 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?
I Corinthians 15:20-21 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

One that believes in Christ, must hold within the heart and mind an awareness to believe in the flesh and blood of Christ. "The Word" was made Flesh (John 1:14) all that was written .

~Believe

[arcura]

sndbay,
I am so glad that there are several here who believ what the bible says about the necessity of being baptized.
Baptism does great thins for us through the grace of God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.

[arcura]

Or do you believe it was an ancient astronomical site.
I believe it was a sacred effort but the reason so is a big mystery.
See about it here at this site.
Stonehenge

:)Peace and kindness, :)
Fred

[sndbay]

sndbay,
I am so glad that there are several here who believ what the bible says about the necessity of being baptized.
Baptism does great thins for us through the grace of God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.

Yes Fred, many are walking double minded by not taking what is written as the Flesh of Christ. What is written in The Word is Truth, it is the Bread of The Lord's Supper that we take and eat. Saying it is not necessary when the "The Word" tells us to do, is contradiction of Truth or (not believing or doubting what is written) .. There is danger in being double minded. The Flesh/Bread is just as important as the Blood. I believe and trust in all that is written, and it is not for any to question. Praise God

Jeremiah 15:15-16 O LORD, Thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for Thy sake I have suffered rebuke. Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and Thy Word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by Thy Name, O LORD God of hosts. KJV

[classyT]

Yes Fred, many are walking double minded by not taking what is written as the Flesh of Christ. What is written in The Word is Truth, it is the Bread of The Lord's Supper that we take and eat. Saying it is not necessary when the "The Word" tells us to do, is contradiction of Truth or (not believing or doubting what is written) .. There is danger in being double minded. The Flesh/Bread is just as important as the Blood. I believe and trust in all that is written, and it is not for any to question. Praise God

Jeremiah 15:15-16 O LORD, Thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for Thy sake I have suffered rebuke. Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and Thy Word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by Thy Name, O LORD God of hosts. KJV

Hmm? Well I said it before and I will say it again... you don't have the market on truth! Although I would not go so far as to call you double minded... ( which does NOT apply here by the way) I would just prefer to say... you don't understand the scriptures. You may believe and trust all that is written.. but you err in understanding what is written. And if it is true that you believe ALL that is written is written directely to you, then there is a lot of contradictions in the word my friend. I KNOW there are NO contradictions.. when you rightley divide it... it all makes perfect sense.

[sndbay]

Hmm? well i said it before and I will say it again...you don't have the market on truth! Although I would not go so far as to call you double minded...( which does NOT apply here by the way) I would just prefer to say....you don't understand the scriptures. You may believe and trust all that is written..but you err in understanding what is written. And if it is true that you believe ALL that is written is written directely to you, then there is alot of contradictions in the word my friend. I KNOW there are NO contradictions..when you rightley divide it...it all makes perfect sense.

You have shown in this thread posting #156 you changed your mind.. After all the patience shown to explain (not weary) yet patience shown to the rude comments and disbelieft to what is written you changed to agreed.

Comments on this post#156
classyT agrees: Whoo HOO! Got to love Watchman Nee!

[arcura]

sndbay
I see that you understand Scripture well on that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[classyT]

SND,

If You read Watchman Nee.. he is talking about two types of salvation.. READ IT. I never said you shouldn't be baptized.. I said it wasn't a requirement to get to heaven. I don't think he is clear as crystal in his writing there.. but that is what I take away from it. I could be wrong. And by the way... I said whoo hoo... because I happen to like Watchman Nee! That and only THAT is what I was talking about. I like watchman need.. so sue me... I'm NOT double minded.

I am NOT rude... fyi... I prefer to think I am FRANK. I like FRANK, CANDID people. Sorry if I come across rude.

[sndbay]

sndbay
I see that you understand Scripture well on that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred I am very thankful for what God has revealed to me through the Spirit. As I know you too are thankful for your strength in wisdom pretaining to The Word. And God has written to discern between right and wrong. ( I King 3:9 and Eze 44:23 )
We are not to judge souls but we discern right and wrong, clean and unclean.

We are told to Watch and Discern, how else does one avoid evil and sin?

Luke 12:56-57 [Ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?

"The Word" Have a good Day Fred

[arcura]

classyT,
Thanks. I did have a good day.
Really a nice weekend up in the beautiful Montana mountains, cleaning up the mess left by a logging operation.
At my age and ability it is tough work, but even so I enjoy it and the nature God created.
Peace and kindness,
Fred