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    Oct 12, 2008, 07:53 PM

    Classyt, of course I know the answers, probably to every question I ask on here. But, if god is going to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, is it in name only, or as you stated, do we receive a 'new nature'? The new nature surely is something that sets us on the path to salvation. Jesus sent his spirit to us for a very good reason.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 07:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    once one has accepted Jesus as their savior
    A person can only say no (not yes) to God. The accepting is solely the work of the Holy Spirit. To claim otherwise is work righteousness.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 07:57 PM

    Cogs.. of course we get the Holy Spriit the minute we believe.. ephesians says we were SEALED .
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:00 PM

    Classyt what good is the holy spirit, if we're not being transformed? And how does the spirit do this in us? Who is the holy spirit? Again, is it in word only that we receive this spirit?
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:00 PM
    Wondergirl,

    Well, we are giving a free will, the Holy Spirit will work on us... he will give us many opportunities to come but if we continue to say no, he will leave us alone.

    We can say yes or no... WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME... you have a choice.. we all have a choice.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:02 PM
    Cogs,

    I received the Holy Spirit the second I believed. I am transformed by reading and meditating on the WORD. I am convicted by him too. Do I believe in speaking in tongues.. yep I do. But I got all of the Holy Spirit the day I believed. Is that what you mean?
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:02 PM
    I'll save you the headache... lol... the sprit is the living god. His word in us tells us what we're doing wrong (sin). We try to stop that, with his power. Through our purification, we are on our way to heaven, not just assenting to a belief in him. Otherwise the holy spirit could have just stayed in heaven, patting us on the head for our agreement that jesus died for our sins.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:05 PM

    And if you don't see how my previous post could be true, then why did jesus reject those who did works in his name? Didn't they believe in him?
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:12 PM

    Who did he reject? You mean when they came and said Lord Lord.. haven't we done this and that and then he said depart I never knew you? If that is what you are referring to, I think he made himself clear.. they may have had a head knowledge of him but Jesus said... I NEVER knew you... never... never... don't know you. In other words.. there was no reality or relationship.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:17 PM

    Classyt, yes, a relationship. Okay. He said, '... ye that work iniquity'. These do-gooders he basically called people who sin. That's us. Lol. We're the workers of iniquity.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:19 PM

    Yes, the difference is... he KNOWS ME! Big difference... he can't say that he doesn't because we have a relationship.. note that he didn't say... I use to know you but you blew it with all your evil ways... he says I NEVER knew you.. gotta love the LORD!
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:20 PM

    In what way does he know us?
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:22 PM
    He knows every single one of us. We're back to the baby thing. We're born with sin. We do not know god. But, we're on our way if we have the spirit of purification sanctifying us for the kingdom of heaven.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:23 PM

    Oh good gravy!. (you know what I'm going to say) I am in CHRIST... he is IN ME! I talk to him every day... a million times. I am washed in his blood, I am HIS and NO man shall pluck me out of his hands. He will NEVER leave me or forsake me. That is how he knows ME.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:24 PM

    You are not washed (esp in blood, yuk). Not yet. Neither am I. the holy spirit has not yet finished his work in us.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:26 PM
    Cogs,

    Talk to me like I am two.. or a blonde.. ha! What are you saying to me?
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:26 PM
    But classyt, as a christian, I love you! Really. I'll let you in on a website that took me all my life to find (sounds dramatic, but true).

    The Way to Righteousness
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:27 PM
    Well not really washed in it but Jesus shed it for me and cleansed me... from all my sin. My work isn't going to be done until he removes me from this world. But I beg to differ.. I am cleansed by his blood. The blood of jesus christ his son cleanses us from all sin.
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:34 PM

    OK.. I briefly went to it.. I will have to look at it tomorrow when I am not so tired.you think that we can become like Jesus here on earth and never sin again? I agree with the goal! I believe that it is a false teaching... if this were true and we no longer had the sin nature.. we wouldn't die my friend. We wouldn't get cancer, colds. And I like to think sin is what is causing my wrinkles and jelly belly ( well that and cheese cake) ha. When we get our new bodies then we will not have a sin nature.. until then I appreicate the goal. But I think we will have this nature until we die. ( but I will read it more careful tomorrow)
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    Oct 12, 2008, 08:36 PM

    The Pew Forum Survey is on this exact topic. 2/3rds. Of main stream Christianity has now changed their opinion about Jesus being the only way to Salvation. I wrote the following press release at prlog.

    Pew Forum Survey

    You can find the Pew Forum Survey Here. Pew Forum Survey

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