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    #81

    Oct 2, 2008, 01:21 PM

    I don't believe in atheists...
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    #82

    Oct 2, 2008, 02:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by DrJizzle View Post
    I dont believe in atheists...
    Then what am I? I belong to no religion, I pray to no god, there is no bible in our house.
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    #83

    Oct 2, 2008, 03:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Then what am I? I belong to no religion, I pray to no god, there is no bible in our house.
    Well then, since I don't believe in you, you must not exist.








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    #84

    Oct 2, 2008, 03:35 PM
    I'm OK with that.
    But you're comparing an invisible thing with a visible thing.
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    #85

    Oct 2, 2008, 06:35 PM
    DrJizzle,
    I agree with a bit of a twist.
    I don't believe in atheism.
    I don't believe that it really exists.
    Everyone knows there is a supreme being whether they admit it or not.
    Some struggle greatly to hide behind something else that they believe in like science.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred
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    Oct 2, 2008, 06:53 PM

    I'm sorry I disagree I honestly don't believe in a higher power or god. I think that people who believe are illogical and I believe it to be on par with believing in a tooth fairy or big foot. I think you follow blindly with no personal thought because you believe in something without any evidence for its existence and wildly claim that you hear voices and that proves god exists. Hoping one day more of mankind comes to its senses and casts off these ancient superstitions.
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    #87

    Oct 2, 2008, 07:10 PM

    Fred, I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    Everyone knows there is a supreme being whether they admit it or not.
    Not true. You claim to know that God exists, but you only know in your heart, not in reality.

    If you "know" then it's because of some proof. Not a vision, not a dream, not the bible, but proof that can be seen by everyone. Like I said, you can "know" in your heart.

    I believe, and that's good enough for me, I don't feel the need to prove my belief. I have had experiences that lead me to believe that God exists, but I don't know He does, not by a long shot.

    Yes, I still have doubts, but I choose to believe. I don't think I'll ever "know" for sure, at least not as long as I'm alive.
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    Oct 2, 2008, 07:41 PM
    Atenweg and michealb,
    I have previously stated whay and how I personally know there is a god.
    Again...
    He has answered many of my prayers and He saved my life in Korea.
    I personally know there is a God and I'm certain that there are others who also do.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred
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    #89

    Oct 2, 2008, 08:21 PM

    You personally, in other words, in your heart you know, but in reality you can't prove what you claim to know. That's why it's still a belief to us.

    Peace.
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    Oct 2, 2008, 09:07 PM
    Altenweg,
    I have all the POOF I need.
    It is not just in my heart, it is also in my mind.
    I think that each person needs personal proof of some sort to know that God exists.
    I might be wrong about that, but it is what I believe.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred
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    #91

    Oct 2, 2008, 09:15 PM

    In order to believe in God a lot of people do need proof, but most just have belief that God exists.

    Most of the people that I know believe in God simply because they do, either because they're afraid that they'll be struck by lightening if they don't, or because it's been firmly ingrained in them from childhood. Very few people actually have any sort of personal proof of God's existence.

    You are lucky Fred, but not everyone is as lucky.

    Like I said, I have had experiences that lead me to believe that God exists, but absolute proof, sadly no.

    Peace dear Fred and Goodnight. :)
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    #92

    Oct 2, 2008, 09:54 PM
    Altenweg
    Good night.
    Sweet dreams,
    God Bless you,
    Fred
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    Oct 3, 2008, 03:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    In order to believe in God alot of people do need proof, but most just have belief that God exists.

    Most of the people that I know believe in God simply because they do, either because they're afraid that they'll be struck by lightening if they don't, or because it's been firmly ingrained in them from childhood. Very few people actually have any sort of personal proof of God's existence.

    You are lucky Fred, but not everyone is as lucky.

    Like I said, I have had experiences that lead me to believe that God exists, but absolute proof, sadly no.

    Peace dear Fred and Goodnight. :)

    Fred is certainly lucky! In my case, I have not had the chance of any personal experience I could assume as a proof that GOD exists. However, I have replaced it by evidence which, as far as I am concerned, is more than enough to be considered as a proof, i.e. the observation of the Firmament at night!!

    In fact, whenever I have been able to look at the grandiose spectacle that offer us our Universe, I could say I have almost physically seen how all these zillions of stars were coming out of GOD's hands. I realize this is just a fantasy but Faith can take you to this kind of dreams. And for many people like me, our Faith is the only proof we need. So, in a way, I guess we are also quite lucky!

    :):)
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    Oct 3, 2008, 08:29 AM
    gromitt82,
    I believe that indeed all who believe in God are lucky.
    Belief in God provides us with much that unbelief does not.
    Fred
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    Oct 3, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    gromitt82,
    I believe that indeed all who believe in God are lucky.
    Belief in God provides us with much that unbelief does not.
    Fred
    Absolutely!! :):):)
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    #96

    Oct 3, 2008, 08:44 AM
    gromitt82 ,
    Thanks
    Fred
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    #97

    Oct 3, 2008, 09:21 AM

    NK, you have yet to be visible to me... therefore, my belief in you continues to not exist :D

    arcura, while I actually do agree with you to a point, I wouldn't use the words that you use to explain it. I use the word "God" because of what that word means to me... but there are many others that do not agree with that definition.

    There is something more to Life than what can be proven by scientific methods.

    For one to outright deny that is foolish.
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    #98

    Oct 3, 2008, 12:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by DrJizzle View Post
    NK, you have yet to be visible to me... therefore, my belief in you continues to not exist
    Does god write to you in internet message boards?
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    #99

    Oct 3, 2008, 01:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Does god write to you in internet message boards?
    Ya know what? I can't prove that He doesn't!
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    #100

    Oct 3, 2008, 01:24 PM
    I am He.
    You can't prove it isn't.

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