[asking]

Yes. We are recycled stellar waste. :)
Someone was telling me that souls have a weight that can be measured, but when I tried to look it up, I just found a single 1907 paper. A doctor weighed a handful of patients while they were dying and claimed the lost about an ounce an half. I thought it didn't sound very rigorous and I couldn't find where anyone repeated it.

If souls have mass then they are natural objects subject to scientific study, yes?

[arcura]

asking,
All persons dying lose weight for various reasons, mainly burning off and the energy disipates.
Souls are spiritual.
Thus they have no parts or mass.
At least that is what I have been lead to believe from several sources.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Credendovidis]

... In a few generations, your genome is so diluted ....

True. Still it is the only CERTAIN way in which we live on after death.
Any other way is no more than belief-based.

:rolleyes:

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[germain]

Well hello hello everyone, it looks like I got ripped apart since I left lol. Credendovidis I agree with you that I left the "real" sceince part of the project out and threw theory after theory but my point was just to interest everyone on the possibilities that might be unearthed here. Though they are farfetched there is that dim glow of hope that something miraculous will come out of this. One thing I didn't agree with though was how other dimensions don't show that there is life after death. Because other dimensions are not a real place far far away into outer space. They are real dimensions co-existing with ours but we just can't see it. So it would show there is layers and layers of "places/dimensions". I'm not saying other dimensions prove life after death in themselves but if they do exist, does the idea of life after death sound crazy? God no. it sounds as real and sound as other dimensions. Other dimensions would just make the idea of lif after death not as crazy and hard to believe although I agree they wouldn't prove it.

[arcura]

Germain,
I think that there are many dimensions.
I just read in Astronomy magazine that there are several dimensions in the gravity pathways between the planets; the three we witness here on earth plus several others.
Quantum mechanics shows that there are far more.
One of them could be called heaven by some folks.
I don't know.
I believe that heaven is a state of spiritual being and could be right close (astronomically speaking) by not necessarily very far way.
The universe is an amazingly huge and complex place with far more unanswered questions that the answers that have been discovered so far; so many scientists claim.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Credendovidis]

... one thing i didnt agree with though was how other dimensions dont show that there is life after death. because other dimensions are not a real place far far away into outer space...

Why would that be? If other dimensions exist, there is no reason to assume that they are reserved to any specific portion or area of the universe.

At present we only can prove four dimensions to exist, i.e. width, heigth, depth, and time.
All other proposed dimensions are unproved so far.

Any debate on "life after death" should be seen within our own dimensions and whatever else we can prove to exist. If not done any such debate will water down into endless babble.

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[arcura]

Cred,
November issue of Astronomy Magazine has an article in it about gravity pathways out among the planets that have several different dimensions other than those here on this planet.
Those pathways are used by interplanetary vehicles exploring the solar system.
It was very interesting.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Eagle USA]

Not only do I hope for but I know there is a life after this one. Every believer in Jesus must have faith in him. Have faith and you will assend and jion him in paradise.

Every person who believes has had to have some proof or they just feel the right way. Faith is not only an emotion but also an action. Jesus love us all.

Now with the part of the bible you have recited there is a few reasons Jesus brung the boy back to life. One his mother was lonely and had no other. The second is the boy would have not assended to heaven because Christ had not yet died for our sins leaving the boy full of sin in the afterlife.

[arcura]

Eagle USA,
Very good post.
Thanks,
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[smearcase]

I answered back on Sept. 17 and I keep seeing the question, of course when others answer it. I have a comment on the wording of the question now that I have thought about it for a good while.
Religions are different, but for Christians in my denomination, "hoping" for life after this one doesn't satisfy the requirements "that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
Believing has strings attached as to how you live your life. Hoping requires no commitment, and maybe earns no reward. That's just my opinion based on what I have been hearing in my church for about 50 years. I fully realize that other religions may see things very differently, and some folks are comfortable with no belief, etc and I respect their views.

[arcura]

3 Chord Elijah,
Please tone it down with the name calling,
I'd like to see you here more often as the good Christian that you can be as you have proven before.
By the way Aton is not finished. He is on a Yahoo forum.
Peace, kindness, and good wished,
Fred (arcura)

[Credendovidis]

Cred, November issue of Astronomy Magazine has an article in it about gravity pathways out among the planets that have several different dimensions other than those here on this planet. Those pathways are used by interplanetary vehicles exploring the solar system. It was very interesting.

Dear Fred. Science has NEVER proved any dimension beyond the four known dimensions to exist. Anything beyond these four is pure speculation. Any science orientated person should know that.
Only people who already believe all kinds of mythological claims may be willing to accept also all the speculation on more dimensions to exist.

If we can not prove other dimensions here on earth, how would you think we can prove that by means of "gravity pathways out among the planets"??

It is all speculation, dear Fred !

Peace and kindness to you too !

John

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[Credendovidis]

Not only do I hope for but I know there is a life after this one.

You may HOPE for that. You may BELIEVE that.
But you do not KNOW that.

:rolleyes:

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[Credendovidis]

Hey freethinker John! ....

Reported to board management.

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[NeedKarma]

There is no afterlife. Your life on earth is the one we all have - make it fun, magical and fruitful.

[classyT]

Needkarma,

And you know this to be true because?? If it were true Needkarma, I would agree with you.. eat, drink and be merry but ever considered there IS? What happens if you are wrong.

[asking]

Needkarma,

And you know this to be true because?????? If it were true Needkarma, i would agree with you..eat, drink and be merry but ever considered there IS? What happens if you are wrong.?

ClassyT, I won't answer for Needkarma, but for myself. The idea that not believing in an afterlife means not having any values--your "eat, drink, and be merry"--is false and basically insulting. I don't need to have a threat of hell or at least no heaven to know what my values are and to follow them. I don't have to have a priest or a God with thunderbolts keeping me on a short leash. I can choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing. Period.

If I'm wrong, and there is a vengeful God who punishes people who follow Christian values but don't believe in God--in other words, not for behaving badly but for not believing in him--then I'm screwed. But I'm willing to take that (very small) risk in order not to be bullied into adopting false beliefs by people like you who threaten others with their imaginary friends and places.

[NeedKarma]

Needkarma,

And you know this to be true because?????? If it were true Needkarma, i would agree with you..eat, drink and be merry but ever considered there IS? What happens if you are wrong.?

If I'm wrong? Nothing much I guess. I'm dead after all. If there is something after this life then that's good I guess. I'm a good guy I don't suspect I'll be in a burning place. I'm certainly not going to become some invisible-god worshiping guy, I see the divisiveness it causes (this forum being a very good example) and I want none of that for myself and my children.

[classyT]

ClassyT, I won't answer for Needkarma, but for myself. The idea that not believing in an afterlife means not having any values--your "eat, drink, and be merry"--is false and basically insulting. I don't need to have a threat of hell or at least no heaven to know what my values are and to follow them. I don't have to have a priest or a God with thunderbolts keeping me on a short leash. I can choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing. Period.

If I'm wrong, and there is a vengeful God who punishes people who follow Christian values but don't believe in God--in other words, not for behaving badly but for not believing in him--then I'm screwed. But I'm willing to take that (very small) risk in order not to be bullied into adopting false beliefs by people like you who threaten others with their imaginary friends and places.

Geesh...

you WANT to read into eat, drink, and be merry as insulting.GO FOR IT. I didn't add AND have no values. I used that term because the apostle paul used it. Not sure who wants to bully you into adopting a false belief... I just asked a question. What IF? Run along and pick a fight with someone else. I got a football game to watch.

[arcura]

Credendovidis
I believe Eagle USA does know.
And does NOT need to prove it to anyone.
The reason is that I also KNOW.
Peace and kindness