[Credendovidis]

I just want to paint a picture for you..... You exist somewhere not in the physical world in these dreams. Can this be related to life after death? I believe so.

Dreams are nothing more than the brain clearing, removing, and storing earlier memories elsewhere, though this is done totally ad randum. That is also the reason why so much of our dreams seems to be so familiar for us, as they only contain fragments of our own thoughts and observations. This make dreams helpful in treating mental disorders.

Note that when you dream you are still 100% there, in your own physical world.

As to life-after-death : all we can be sure of is that we live NOW. Any future/after life is based on speculation and religious claims, and NOT on factual Objective Supported Evidence (OSE).

:rolleyes:

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[ordinaryguy]

Dreams are nothing more than the brain clearing, removing, and storing earlier memories elsewhere, though this is done totally ad randum.

Do you BELIEVE that this is true about everyone else's dreams, as well as your own? Please provide your Objective Supported Evidence for this BELIEF.

[twinkiedooter]

Dear Cred - Boy are YOU going to be surprised one day when you wake up and find yourself dead and still alive in the afterlife.

I know for a fact that we live on after this life. In fact we usually have been here sometimes many, many times before.

When I was 25 and had an extremely serious accident I had one of those out of body experiences. (I should have died but didn't have enough sense to stay dead). Anyway, I was there with Jesus (of all people) and a lot of other people. I was told that I had to go back and finish up my life. I was not very happy about that idea as I knew where I was and wanted to stay there. Then I was taken back to my body. I was extremely furious when I did get back into my body as I knew that I had many more years to endure here before I could go back to heaven, paradise, or whatever it is called.

I truly believe as I was there. Before this incident I was an agnostic. Show me. Well I sure was "showed" all right.

You can doubt me on this, but as I told Cred, boy are you going to be very surprised when you leave this earthly plane (or die physically) as your soul or spirit never dies.

[germain]

[QUOTE=Credendovidis;1284994]Dreams are nothing more than the brain clearing, removing, and storing earlier memories elsewhere, though this is done totally ad randum. That is also the reason why so much of our dreams seems to be so familiar for us, as they only contain fragments of our own thoughts and observations. This make dreams helpful in treating mental disorders.

Note that when you dream you are still 100% there, in your own physical world.

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I completely agree with you. But I was talking about lucid dreaming. Regular dreams cannot even be compared whatsoever to a lucid dream. In a lucid dream.. you are actually you alive in a dream acting how you want to act you literally "wake up" in a dream. How would you explain this transfer of consciousness? It is not a normal random dream. You yourself are in it now so it can't be compared to random thoughts of the day. There are even more weird things out there. Just like out of body experiences or near death experiences. Have you ever heard of Astral projection? I was holding this back in my last post because this I know is hard to believe unless it has happened to you. It has happened to me a few times. It is deliberately including an out of body experience. I can tell you it is one of the most profound things to have happen to you for it lets you let go of your fear of death. Anyone who has had these knows there's something more to this life. Quantum mechanics, particle split theory so many weird stuff out there that is so crazy its like as if it is from a movie but in real life. So the theory of life after death doesn't sound as crazy to believe.

[arcura]

germain,
It has been said that dreams are merely symbolic of something in your life or of something you hope for.
Interesting is the observation that if you know you are dreaming you can change the dream.
But if you can not change it then what you are experiencing is a vision.
Visions can not be changed. They are meant to teach, inform, or warn of something.
When you are dreaming try to change it as an exeriement to see if it is a dream or a vision.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Credendovidis]

Do you BELIEVE that this is true about everyone else's dreams, as well as your own? Please provide your Objective Supported Evidence for this BELIEF.

You must be so ordinary that you have never heard of people like Freud, and their research into dreams. Science is very clear about what dreams are. What still is under research is why people dream so differently in frequency and/or intensity.

No, I do not BELIEVE in facts. I accept them as correct if properly supported.

:rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

Dear Cred - Boy are YOU going to be surprised one day when you wake up and find yourself dead and still alive in the afterlife.

That is what you BELIEVE. But you can not support that in any objective way.

I know for a fact that we live on after this life. In fact we usually have been here sometimes many, many times before.

No you do not KNOW that : you BELIEVE that !

:rolleyes:

[ordinaryguy]

You must be so ordinary that you have never heard of people like Freud, and their research into dreams.

You must be so condescending that you don't know that Freud's theories on dreams have been largely discredited by rigorous empirical research.

Domhoff: Beyond Freud and Jung

Freud's claims about the nature of dreams rest for the most part on his method of free association, in which the dreamer produces uncritical, unreflective trains of thought to each aspect of the dream. Freud assumed that these free associations reveal the "latent" wishes on which dreams are based. The discovery of latent content through free association then leads to the inference that the cognitive processes called the dream-work transform these latent wishes into the "manifest" dream content.

Because other methods have not been able to show support for Freud's theory, any remaining credibility it may have depends upon the validity of this method. However, there is no evidence that the method has any specific scientific usefulness even though it seems to be helpful in bringing people to talk about themselves, their emotional memories, and their current concerns. As Fisher and Greenberg (1977, pg. 66) note in their first assessment of Freud's work on dreams, "there is not a shred of empirical or reliable evidence that they provide a unique 'true' solution concerning what is contained in the dream." In addition, a large-scale attempt by Foulkes (1978) to make use of free associations to understand dreams collected in the laboratory setting ended with the conclusion that the method is "inherently arbitrary" (Foulkes, 1996)

Science is very clear about what dreams are.

Here's what YOU say dreams are: "Dreams are nothing more than the brain clearing, removing, and storing earlier memories elsewhere, though this is done totally ad randum." But you haven't provided any evidence that "Science" supports your belief about what dreams are. It certainly isn't what Freud believed they were. He thought they were "wish fulfillment", but then, he was wrong.

[germain]

If you all believe what science has to say about these things than listen to this.. Science has theorys on other dimensions. They have not proved them but they are trying now. If you want to see for yourself look up Large Hadron Collider.. I've been following up with it for a long time now. Even science has theorys that other dimensions exist so much so that they are building this giant machine to prove or disprove of these other dimensions. You can relate these other dimensions to life after death for if they exist it clearly proves there's something more to this life. Basically the machine will shoot two photon beams at the speed of light, they will circle the giant machine and will crash against each other smashing the atoms so hard they will break into the smallest of pieces. Now there is a theory on black hole being created by this. If indeed a black hole is created (mind you even black holes are theorys up to date) it will suck in some pieces of the atom and they will "vanish into thin air" proving they went into another dimension. So when they do launch this project look for a big clue to life after death there.

[arcura]

germain,
I do believe that science is in the process of proving much that has been called spirituality.
However, such goes by different names.
As time goes on I believe more and more scientists will become believers than thos that ares o today.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[germain]

arcura,
You're definitely right on that. I can't wait to see what's in store for the human race. Some big stuff is coming up reaaaaal soon :)

[ordinaryguy]

Some big stuff is coming up reaaaaal soon :)

Can you be more specific?

[Credendovidis]

.... I can't wait to see whats in store for the human race. Some big stuff is coming up reaaaaal soon :)

Yeah. More and more Americans of 800+ pounds. Fortunately they are unable to reprocreate... :)

Germain : if you BELIEVE that something will happen soon, why don't you dare to tell us all about that ?

:rolleyes:

[Wondergirl]

Yeah. More and more Americans of 800+ pounds.

Huh?

And you're doing the eye-rolling thing again.

[Credendovidis]

Wondergirl : may be that is "in store" (see post # 31). Specially the BIG STUFF!!

Sorry :rolleyes: six :rolleyes: is :rolleyes: the :rolleyes: max. :rolleyes: here :rolleyes:!!

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[arcura]

ordinaryguy.
Yes I would like it if germain would be more specific.
Fred

[Alty]

I too would like to know what germain is talking about, or was it just a blanket statement, not based on fact?

[germain]

I don't know what part of the "Large Hadron Collider" you guys didn't pick up! This is the most extraordianry scientific achievement EVER. It will be launched very soon. If you guys are really that curious look it up for yourselves. I told you what is coming up. If you are sincerely interested do some research. They are recreating what happens milliseconds after the "big bang". Do you realize how much theorys will be proved and disproved by this expirement? Other dimensions, string theorys, quantum mechanics, smallest components of atoms.. so much knowledge about the universe will be finally explored thanks to this machine. Worm holes, black holes, all the sci-fi stuff time travel. Read. If you are sincerely intersted and not asking me just to make me seem foolish or force an answer out of me.. read about it. Just research "Large Hadron Collider" and let your mind flow on the information.

[germain]

I'm sorry if I dissapointed any of you by not telling you aliens were coming or the dead were rising or Jesus is on his way. By big stuff I meant understanding of the universe, how it operates, do we have a say in all this? Just imagine they find out there is other dimensions. It would be like the race to the moon again yet who can make it into another dimension first. Time travel falls along worm holes, worm holes fall along black holes, black holes will be put to the test soon! That tickles my fancy :)

[Alty]

Germain, thank you for clarifying. Yes, most of us have heard of Cerns "little" experiment, but you didn't say that in your original statement, and we are not mind readers. No need to get irritable. ;)