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    Sep 7, 2008, 08:35 PM
    Comma confusion on college admissions essay
    I'm writing my college essay and I came to a sentence that had me confused. Here it is:

    He is Switzerland and I, too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live

    Should there be a comma after switzerland? Or not? Or how should I word that?

    It's for brown university, my dream school so if anyone could please help.
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    Sep 7, 2008, 10:00 PM
    Sorry if I seem ignorant. But I don't even understand the sentence. He is switzerland? Isn't that a country? Or did I miss something? I'm really curious what you mean by he is Switzerland and you want to achieve his impartial view.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 02:42 AM
    I'm comparing him to Switzerland because he has a neutral view of the world. He doesn't lean one way or the other
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    Sep 8, 2008, 04:36 AM
    I think that we need Wondergirl on this thread. She is an established and published writer. As such, I will let her know about this thread.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 09:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by arturdo968
    i'm writing my college essay and i came to a sentence that had me confused. here it is:

    He is Switzerland and I, too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live

    should there be a comma after switzerland? or not? or how should i word that?

    it's for brown university, my dream school so if anyone could please help.
    Here's Wondergirl (also known as the Comma Queen) to the rescue!

    Yes, there should be a comma after "Switzerland," because you are connecting two independent clauses with the conjunction "and."

    He is Switzerland, and I, too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live.

    I like the metaphor you used. I hope Brown does too!
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    He is Switzerland, and I, too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live.
    This really makes no sense, I hope you agree WG. The sentence should say

    "He is FROM Switzerland and, I too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live."

    "He is Switzerland" makes it sound as though he IS the country of Switzerland, not just a citizen of Switzerland.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by J_9
    This really makes no sense, I hope you agree WG. The sentence should say

    "He is FROM Switzerland and, I too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live."

    "He is Switzerland" makes it sound as though he IS the country of Switzerland, not just a citizen of Switzerland.
    It makes perfect sense. Switzerland = neutrality. He = Switzerland. Therefore, he = neutrality.

    Just because he is "from" Switzerland doesn't mean he is neutral. He might be a closet Nazi hiding out in Switzerland. Switzerland in and of itself means neutrality.

    "He is Switzerland" is a metaphor.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by J_9
    This really makes no sense, I hope you agree WG. The sentence should say

    "He is FROM Switzerland and, I too, wish to be able to achieve his impartial view on the way people live."

    "He is Switzerland" makes it sound as though he IS the country of Switzerland, not just a citizen of Switzerland.
    My understanding is that she is using a metaphor... He is not Swiss - she is comparing him to Switzerland because of he political neutrality.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    It makes perfect sense. Switzerland = neutrality. He = Switzerland. Therefore, he = neutrality.
    I don't see it that way though. There are other ways that this can be worded to make better sense. Such as "He is Swedish" or "He is Swiss," but not "He is Switzerland." This implies that he is the country.

    I would not say that "I am America," I would say that "I am American."
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by J_9
    I don't see it that way though. There are other ways that this can be worded to make better sense. Such as "He is Swedish" or "He is Swiss," but not "He is Switzerland." This implies that he is the country.

    I would not say that "I am America," I would say that "I am American."
    It has nothing to do with citizenship. Reread my previous post.

    I am an American = I am a citizen of the United States.

    I am America = I embody all that the United States stands for.

    "I am America" or "He is Switzerland" is lofty rhetoric, the kind of writing Brown University will love to see in an admission essay.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:23 AM
    Ahhhh, I see that now. I guess being awake 21 hours wreaks havoc on my english. LOL

    Makes perfect sense now. So, yes, I would agree that there should be a comma after Switzerland.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:26 AM
    Here's a poem by Langston Hughes to demontrate what I mean:

    I, Too, Sing America

    I, too, sing America.

    I am the darker brother.
    They send me to eat in the kitchen
    When company comes,
    But I laugh,
    And eat well,
    And grow strong.

    Tomorrow,
    I'll be at the table
    When company comes.
    Nobody'll dare
    Say to me,
    "Eat in the kitchen,"
    Then.

    Besides,
    They'll see how beautiful I am
    And be ashamed--

    I, too, am America.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:30 AM
    Have I finally earned the nice black AMHD t-shirt?
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:30 AM
    You are so right. As I said, 21 hours awake ruins my ability to speak, type, edit, proofread the English language. :o

    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    Have I finally earned the nice black AMHD t-shirt?
    And any other color you wish my Queen. :p
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:32 AM
    With RickJ's and Ben's autographs on it?
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    With RickJ's and Ben's autographs on it?
    I'll try, but my pic will be right in the middle, no need for an autograph. LMAO :p
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by J_9
    I'll try, but my pic will be right in the middle, no need for an autograph. LMAO :p
    Um, let me check the available space in my t-shirt drawer and get back to you.
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:45 AM
    :( :( :( You don't love me enough to wear me around town?
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    Sep 8, 2008, 10:59 AM
    Well, if I am guaranteed immunity from winter colds and flu (you being a medical person and all), sure, I'll accept and wear it with your photo on it.

    ***To the moderator: This thread demonstrates to the large AMHD membership that two experts can disagree and still remain friends.***
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    Sep 8, 2008, 03:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    ***To the moderator: This thread demonstrates to the large AMHD membership that two experts can disagree and still remain friends.***

    So very true!!

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