[NeedKarma]

Or it could be in 23 days. No one knows.

[Wondergirl]

Or it could be in 23 days. No one knows.

NK, you're too quick for me. I was still editing my response when you posted this.

[NeedKarma]

"personal rapture"? We all die, that's the natural process.

[BMI]

Poor guy writes a question and the "welcomed" few come and turn it into something totally different. I do not do this often or enjoy doing it but seriously, F-OFF. I'm sick and tired of every question about the Bible being re-routed into a debate about the existence of God.

This Credefljd just hears what he wants to. Sure, sure you thought he meant nature did you? I think anyone could tell he meant rapture, unless you are as clueless as to the contents of the Bible as it seems you are. I submit you knew EXACTLY what he meant but wrote nature so you can comment about something. PLEASE, do not respond and overrun this thread with you usual ramblings. If you do respond I would ask that you please NEVER use the phrase OSE when speaking to me, if I hear it again I'll hurl.

To Acura, many believe the rapture is a certain date at a certain time for all who happen to be alive on the earth. I for one hold the belief that the rapture is when we die individually. Jesus returning is Jesus returning to our lives, the day of Judgement is when we die. My day of judgement is when I pass away, I'll not know the time or place and in many ways I doubt I will expect it.

Hope this makes sense.

Sorry if I offended you Crede, I just don't think this gentleman's question should be a basis to start the usual back and forth between the usual members that engage in the usual back and forth so often seen in religious discussion.

[Wondergirl]

"personal rapture"? We all die, that's the natural process.

Yup, that'll be it for me.

[Galveston1]

That's sad Wondergirl - this life isn't that bad for many of us, we're actually enjoying ourselves. :)
I kind of find it shocking that the Parenting expert wants the world to end soon. How does that play into helping raise the next generation?

Why do so many people think that the "rapture" is the same thing as the end of the world? No Bible believer that I have ever met thinks that. The return of Jesus FOR the Church is only the end of an age or era. And as to how many are expecting that to take place, there may not be as many as Arcura thinks. Many so-called evangelicals no longer believe it will happen. That may be the "falling away" that Paul wrote about.

[Credendovidis]

Poor guy writes a question ...

Fred "Arcura" Brown is not a "poor guy" at all. I know Fred already for many years, and in a way I count him as my friend. Fred posted a new topic on the Religious DISCUSSIONS board, and I responded to that with my comment.
Please note that this is NOT the Q&A section of AMHD.

Sure, sure you thought he meant nature did you?

Yes I did. Any OSE against that, BMI?

I submit you knew EXACTLY what he meant but wrote nature so you can comment about something

NoI did not. Any OSE against that, BMI?

If you do respond I would ask that you please NEVER use the phrase OSE when speaking to me, if I hear it again I'll hurl.

You do whatever you want, but a request for OSE is not against the board rules.

Sorry if I offended you Crede...

You have to come from better breeding to do that, BMI.

I just don't think this gentleman's question should be a basis to start the usual back and forth between the usual members that engage in the usual back and forth so often seen in religious discussion.

But that is precisely the general idea of a discussions board, BMI.
If you have any problems with that, just stay on the Q&A section.

:>)

.

[arcura]

maje3,
Yes, you are right several of the signs of Jesus return have come to pass but the one that I fear is a long time in the future is the building of the third temple of Yahweh on Temple Mount.
Although funds have been collected to help build that for several years, the work to start building it is a long time in the future, I fear.
It is true that the temple mount belongs to Israel, but early on after the war on independence Israel agreed to let Moslems occupy the Mount.
They are not about to relinquish it back to Israel soon.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[Credendovidis]

Yes, you are right several of the signs of Jesus return have come to pass but the one that I fear is a long time in the future is the building of the third temple of Yahweh on Temple Mount

Dear Fred : which are precisely the remaining signs that you think still have to occur first before rapture can take place, and why is that?

Peace and kindness to you too, Fred !

:>)

.

[sndbay]

Our Lord is against rapture doctrine Ezekiel tells you He was aware of this doctrine being put forth by pillars = (those who believe their own doctrine and attempt to stand above God and what He has fore told as Truth) Hunting the souls to make them think they will fly...

Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make [them] fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, [even] the souls that ye hunt to make [them] fly. KJV

Read the Truth of how Christ will return...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be [not soon shaken in mind,] or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.KJV

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposeth and [exalteth himself above all that is called God,] or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. KJV

{{{{son of perdition is satan}}}}


2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? JKV

Continue to read 2 Thessalonians for what is to come.. and Note

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 [Even Him], whose coming is after the working of satan with all power and signs and lying wonders And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved.

God does allow the Free Will choice of believing what you have chosen to believe.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Fellowship in The Spirit of Truth and walk in the light of Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2: 13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

[NeedKarma]

So those Left Behind books are based on a lie?

[BMI]

Crede - lol... better breeding... what a tool!

[N0help4u]

Okay here is what I believe.

I believe that the Bible teaches that while we can not know the day or the hour we can know the time and 'season' that we will know when we are in the end times if we line it up with 1948 and current events as shown in the Bible.

I also believe many Christians are deceived in believing in a pre trib rapture when a rapture more would likely take place mid trib after the anti-christ and some other events but before the fourth bowl in Revelations 16:8 & 9 where God pours out his wrath with serious plagues.

[sndbay]

Okay here is what I believe.

I believe that the Bible teaches that while we can not know the day or the hour we can know the time and 'season' that we will know when we are in the end times if we line it up with 1948 and current events as shown in the Bible.

I also believe many Christians are decieved in believing in a pre trib rapture when a rapture more would likely take place mid trib after the anti-christ and some other events but before the fourth bowl in Revelations 16:8 & 9 where God pours out his wrath with serious plagues.

To realize what is written in what was posted of #30 really helps spell things out for what was fore told by Christ when He was here. Read the Truth of how Christ will return...2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be [not soon shaken in mind,] or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.KJV

[Galveston1]

Jesus gave ONE prerequisite for His return. His gospel will be preached for a witness to all the world, then the church age will end. This is being accomplished with many souls being added to the Kingdom of God daily, especially in nations other than the US. I know of just one group that began in 1992 that is within about 60 of being in every nation currently.

[Credendovidis]

His gospel will be preached for a witness to all the world, then the church age will end.

In that case it will still take a long time - even if the dogmatic part of that were true.
All the world means every human being. Not every country.

And theists themselves make that a rather impossible occurrence, with their mutual intolerance of other views...

:>)

.

[N0help4u]

Interesting question
Who has never ever heard anything whatsoever about God or Jesus in today's times?

[Credendovidis]

I am sure that Galveston1 stated that :

"His gospel will be preached for a witness to all the world, then the church age will end".

Now for me this is easy to say after living near 30 years in the tropics, but the living conditions in the tropics are surely different to those across the big pond.
And many people have indeed never heard of (with all respect) some Christian God and some Jesus. And even if they had heard about these two, that is not the same as being preached for a witness.

So either there is still a lot to do for Christian mission workers, or the idea of rapture has either to be dropped, or updated to a more realistic level.

:>)

.

[N0help4u]

Actually this is exactly what it says
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Now does that mean every individual will personally be preached to
Or does it mean that they will have heard of God/Jesus via missionaries, Billy Graham, Televangistists, reading something on the internet,.

Still would be interesting to know who and where have never heard of Christianity in some way.

[Credendovidis]

Nohelp4u : I suggest you start travelling than...

:>)

.