[Tj3]

Any your reasoning for this is....?

I cannot believe that you even have to ask. Look up irony in the dictionary.

[Credendovidis]

I cannot believe that you even have to ask. Look up irony in the dictionary.

Tom : people like you should do well to add a smilie after posting an ironic intended remark.
It is so easy to misinterpret your intentions...

:D

[ScottRC]

I cannot believe that you even have to ask. Look up irony in the dictionary.

I was hoping you'd actually be able to form a cogent statement... childish quips do little to move along a discussion.

[Tj3]

I was hoping you'd actually be able to form a cogent statement.... childish quips do little to move along a discussion.

I see that you still need to go after the person rather than deal with the topic.

[Credendovidis]

I see that you still need to go after the person rather than deal with the topic.

Old trick Tom, but it won't help you here this time.

I note that you still have not supplied any reasoning for your statement
"It demonstrates how the title that the pope gave himself is ironic".

Why Tom ?

:rolleyes:

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[Tj3]

Old trick Tom, but it won't help you here this time.

I note that you still have not supplied any reasoning for your statement
"It demonstrates how the title that the pope gave himself is ironic".

Why Tom ?

Because, I do not believe any adult who says that he cannot see the irony in that statement. And if they don't, they probably would not be able to understand it if I explained it to them.

Just like some folk who believe that magnetic compasses point west. Some folk will believe what they want to believe.

[ScottRC]

Old trick Tom, but it won't help you here this time.

You at least have to admire the consistency!

[Credendovidis]

... Just like some folk who believe that magnetic compasses point west. Some folk will believe what they want to believe.

My apologies for going off topic once with this reply, but Tj3 for the umpteenth time deliberately posts this type of "untruth", while he knows it is not correct ! How can anyone trust statements of such a person ?

Note : just to explain to others : Tom Smith Tj3 (toms777) once posted that all compasses point north, to which I replied (on the answerway board, and repeated the same here already twice) in response to repeated similar "untruths" made by him on Answerway, and here on AMHD :

LITERAL QUOTE
My original post was about toms777's statement that a compass needle always points north.
However that is of course not true : a compass needle just swings, but into what direction?
Hardly ever true north, and any seaman or engineer knows that.
As engineer I know that ! But Tom who claims to be an (electrical) engineer also, does not seem to know that.
How strange ....

To keep the explanation short on why that is so, please have a look at the following site :

The Geological Survey of Canada (part of the Earth Sciences Sector of Natural Resources Canada) (LINK)

I have always stated that - depending on where you are on earth - there is a gap between true North and the direction a compass needle points at. I also mentioned the even stranger directions you should get when you are within the North Pole circle.
To understand why, look at the picture indicating position and movement of the magnetic Pole (a picture from the same website, indicating actual position and movement of the magnetic pole).

Currently the North Pole Latitude is around 83° N and the longitude around 115° W. (LINK)

So if you are within the North Pole circle your compass needle may (related to true North) point into any direction. Even pure South is possible (if you stand on the North Pole itself!)
Outside the pole circle you can still expect compass readings from near East to North to near West, depending where you are on earth.
Last time I was in the north of Norway, the compass needle pointed West from true North.

It's just as I have stated from the start. As engineer I know that. But all toms777 tries to do is abuse and harrass others. And so you can not trust what he claims as an engineer.

I wonder : if you can not trust toms777 as an engineer - a title he claims to have - than Why should you believe CLAIMS toms777 makes about Christianity, a proficiency he seems to fail completely?

UNQUOTE

How sad.

:rolleyes:

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[Credendovidis]

You at least have to admire the consistency!

Agreed : Tj3 is extremely consistent with deliberate posting of statements out of context. He has done that for as long as I know Tom Smith (many years already), and to many people - sometimes very ferociously. Reason for my previous post, which he surely will react to as playing "the man" while doing that himself the same - FIRST !

:)

[Tj3]

My apologies for going off topic once with this reply, but Tj3 for the umpteenth time deliberately posts this type of "untruth", while he knows it is not correct ! How can anyone trust statements of such a person ?

Note : just to explain to others : Tom Smith Tj3 (toms777) once posted that all compasses point north, to which I replied (on the answerway board, and repeated the same here already twice) in response to repeated similar "untruths" made by him on Answerway, and here on AMHD :

Perhaps you forget, John, but we were not discussing a few degrees discrepancy between true and magnetic north, but whether a compass in Israel would point to New York state. To be specific, it was because a Momron had claimed that the lihona mentioned in the Book of Mormon was a compass that pointed them to where they were to go in North America.

Quite a difference. Interesting how you try to divert away from this fact each time this comes up.

[Galveston1]

The Pope doesn't act like my servant, doesn't look like my servant, doesn't talk like my servant. All the pagentry and wealth are more suited to a potentate than an humble servant to other ministers of the Gospel.

[Credendovidis]

Perhaps you forget, John, but we were not discussing a few degrees discrepancy between true and magnetic north, but whether a compass in Israel would point to New York state. To be specific, it was because a Momron had claimed that the lihona mentioned in the Book of Mormon was a compass that pointed them to where they were to go in North America. Quite a difference. Interesting how you try to divert away from this fact each time this comes up.

No Tom. I do not forget much. I reacted to your follow-up comment that a compass always points north (which may be the case in Canada), and to which I commented that that is incorrect on a worldwide scale, etc. etc. etc.

What is interesting is that every time you run out of (religious and/or logical) arguments, you yourself go "after the person", and in my case you bring this up as if I argue that compass needles always point west. You do exactly that now already for the third year ! I never stated it that way. And you know that. So why do you keep bringing that up in your failing attempt to discredit me?

Why make statements like "Just like some folk who believe that magnetic compasses point west. Some folk will believe what they want to believe" ?

All you end up with is the reaction by many people who ask themselves : How can I trust statements of a person , who deliberately tells half-truths on a religious discussions board ?

:rolleyes:

PS : I will not react to further comments from you referring to compass directions in this topic. I have shown to everyone reading this topic who and what you are beyond any doubt. Now let's return to the topic again !

:rolleyes:

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[JoeT777]

The Pope doesn't act like my servant, doesn't look like my servant, doesn't talk like my servant. All the pagentry and wealth are more suited to a potentate than an humble servant to other ministers of the Gospel.

The last I heard, isn’t that the Pope was your servant.

JoeT

[ScottRC]

The Pope doesn't act like my servant, doesn't look like my servant, doesn't talk like my servant. All the pagentry and wealth are more suited to a potentate than an humble servant to other ministers of the Gospel.

You've don't seem to have an open mind about this... I doubt any evidence contrary to your pre-conceived assumptions would do any good.

And it's always quite amusing to me when I hear the "wealth" attack used... makes me think of the funeral mass I went to last October for an Archbishop that has passed on. A priest since 1957, this man of "pagentry and wealth" died with $6,400.00 in savings and a bicycle. :D

Sad that some people can't see the reality beyond their opinions.

[Tj3]

No Tom. I do not forget much. I reacted to your follow-up comment that a compass always points north (which may be the case in Canada), and to which I commented that that is incorrect on a worldwide scale, etc. etc. etc.

You seem to conveniently forget what the whole discussion was about, and you argued vehemently that a compass in Israel would point west.

But I do understand why you would want to forget that. I doubt that anyone would buy that argument unless they claimed to get their high school graduation certificate was an engineering degree.

[Credendovidis]

Another "misrepresentation of the truth" as so many of your statements, Tj3 ! Return to topic, please !
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[Tj3]

Another "misrepresentation of the truth" as so many of your statements, Tj3 ! Return to topic, please !
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What mis-representation, John?

[Galveston1]

You've don't seem to have an open mind about this..... I doubt any evidence contrary to your pre-conceived assumptions would do any good.

And it's always quite amusing to me when I hear the "wealth" attack used.... makes me think of the funeral mass I went to last October for an Archbishop that has passed on. A priest since 1957, this man of "pagentry and wealth" died with $6,400.00 in savings and a bicycle. :D

Sad that some people can't see the reality beyond their opinions.

Please refer back to my post #15 and understand what I am saying in that context. I know a lot of ministers, and not one of them would expect anyone to kiss their ring, and they absolutely would NOT allow anyone to bow before them. Read the scripture again and answer why the RC violates it in this point.